There's been some incel-ish stuff applied to Superman. Frank Miller's Year One had that one speech in the context of people not appreciating him for who he was really juxaposed against Lois making a comment on Clark disappearing that could have been a rant on some reddit incel sub. And they did lightly touch on some of that in the beginning of New 52 with the whole thing where he sulks away from Lois' apartment all dejected, it was pathetic, but I don't think they were going for that. The Miller thing is far worse and he uses Diana as like the sex toy that gets pretty close to what some of the incels want a woman to actually be. Miller's Superman would definitely end up along those lines if taken to the end point.
Let me clarify. I simply meant that, as Clark, he realistically has trouble getting laid, and even gets outright cucked by Lois while being forced to hear it with his super-hearing. It's a brutal scene. Unlike the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy, the glasses-wearing, big-hearted dork known as Clark Kent kind of "is" the real Superman (though I know that's a very contentious statement). So, if he wasn't Superman, and all he had was Clark, and he had to compete for Lois's attention in 21st century Metropolis against the backdrop of 21st century politics, technology, and media? It might get rough. That's all I'm saying. Now, I agree that he and Lana were probably intimate at least once (but would that have happened if she was totally ignorant of his powers?) so it's kind of a complex situation. But yeah.
I've always liked the notion that Superman abstained from sex mainly out of fear that he'd literally kill whomever he was sleeping with, with his, er, climactic speeding bullets, unless they were superhumanly durable as well. It's why I enjoyed that one episode of Smallville where Lana gets powers and the two have an afternoon roll in the hay that causes earthquakes and aftershocks. Yep, that sounds about right.
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“True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice.”
~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
“If I love you, I have to make you conscious of what you don’t see.”
~James Baldwin
Man, what a waste of a good shirt
Didn't DC say something months ago about Batman not eating pussy? It's weird to specifically point this out lol.
Yeah the American culture is weirdly prudish, like, we have the Mortal Kombat games, with unnervingly well made fatalities, which legit gave PTSD to the people working on them since they had to search for pictures and videos about gore... Yet, people bitch that women are dressed in a skimpy way, to the point in MKX, they're dressed in more conservative costumes.There still isn’t explicit sex scenes however outside of a few series. You can show someone getting ripped in half and their guts falling out, but you can’t show nipples lol. The Batpenis controversy showed people still aren’t full comfortable with sex.
Now I'm not saying that the characters look worse, some actually got improved costumes because of this and a lot of old MK females costumes were just, micro bikinis, and that's boring, but the point is that, despite the game having so much gore and being made for a mature audience, people still bitched about the silly costumes because they revealed too much, yeah...
As I understand incel "culture" it's not just about being unable to find a woman, it's about blaming everyone else for your inability to get laid. Blame women, blame "alpha" males, blame anyone but yourself and your lack of game. Incels have nothing to offer, and blame those who do for their inability to impress women.
Nothing about Clark fits the incel description. They're utterly loathsome people; sexist, weak-minded, and immature.
The fact that Clark, in his disguise as a mild mannered coward, can't easily land the most eligible bachelorette in Metropolis does not make him an incel.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
There was a thread on this a few years ago and someone posted from Hunt/Prey in the 90's them kissing as he turned her around (prewedding) then them waking in bed...
In the real world i would be BOTH pro registration and Pro mutant rights. Xavier and Trask were both right.
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"People’s Dreams... Have No Ends"
Now it must become my life's mission to find these issues. What time period were they from?
Is this the Lois Lane miniseries you were talking about?
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Lois_Lane_Vol_1
You always hope that your heroes have good sex, and since Superman is imaginary, nobody, not Larry Niven and not Frank Miller, is going to tell me that Superman can't get it on without hurting his partner. That's just silly, the kind of silly that comes of taking soft-sci-fi adventure fiction entire too seriously.
"You know the deal, Metropolis. Treat people right or expect a visit from me."
Having given this some additional thought, I don't think "involuntarily celibate" applies to Clark Kent. It's more like "begrudgingly," as in he's choosing celibacy out of some reason like paternalism or something else, but it's totally dissatisfying. That's one of the things that made his marriage refreshing: they ditched the "the hero needs to protect his loved ones" trope (which Superman likely started) and paved the way to making superhero SOs something other than fish in a barrel. Though I guess Spider-man beat Superman to the punch in that sense.
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