Batman only makes sense in the Justice League if...?

[Lightning Rider]

I don't actually have a problem with Batman fighting side by side with much more powerful heroes. He's got the Batplane & some useful explosive tech, plus stealth abilities, plus tactical prowess. There's little reason not to have him participate unless the terrain is absolutely inhospitable.

He doesn't have to be Batgod to still have a functional role on a battlefield.

[Adekis]

Batman only makes sense on the Justice League if we're not pretending he has to do any more than his best to be a valued part of the team. The rest of the team aren't humoring him to take advantage of his deep pockets, he doesn't have to be able to beat anyone else in a fight, he's just a resourceful and intelligent person. On that basis, Superman, Flash, and everyone else values and respects him. The same with say, Green Arrow or Mister Terrific. He's on the team because he can contribute as an individual, not because he has to do something nobody else can do. Superman can asteroid mine for funds, but they value Bruce for himself, his own skills and personality.

[Agent Z]

Yes, people hate BatGod for making others look bad but lots of characters get creatorwank and plot armor that makes others look bad too.

And when that happens, they are mocked and criticized for it as well. This is not something limited to Batman. The reason he gets flak more than most others is because it happens with him far more than almost anyone else.

This thread is specifically about him providing no use to the JL tho

No it isn't. Did you actually read the first post?

The OP's opinion is a guy with no powers fighting alongside Gods is silly despite him not being the only regular human who does that. He's just the one the OP chose to single out.

The OP also made a thread about how characters like Superman and Green Lantern are too powerful to have consistently interesting stories.

[Agent Z]

I think we see a lot of dumping on Batman on this site.

When I first joined this site after the 2014 forum reboot, I saw no less than four different threads specifically dedicated to complaining about how the Batfamily was too large, people bashing any Wonder Woman run that wasn't written by Azzarello, and the Titans were a frequent punching bag.

This idea that Batman is especially targeted on this site is laughably inaccurate. And even if it were, it's not like he isn't overwhelmingly popular everywhere else. Compare that to someone like Green Arrow or Hawkeye.

[Wat]

How many superhumans do you think are scared of Batman?

It is depicted often that all the heroes admit that Batman and his methods inspire fear unless you haven't read much of DC. It was a plot point used by John's to explain the animosity between hal and Bruce cuz he was the only one not afraid of the silly bat which is ridiculous.

[The True Detective]

When I first joined this site after the 2014 forum reboot, I saw no less than four different threads specifically dedicated to complaining about how the Batfamily was too large, people bashing any Wonder Woman run that wasn't written by Azzarello, and the Titans were a frequent punching bag.

This idea that Batman is especially targeted on this site is laughably inaccurate. And even if it were, it's not like he isn't overwhelmingly popular everywhere else. Compare that to someone like Green Arrow or Hawkeye.

I swear you go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging the hate Batman gets almost like the very notion of an extremely popular character being hated is foreign or offensive to you.

What does a thread the OP made about overpowered characters have to do with this specific thread? We aren't talking about overpowered characters ITT, we're talking about Batman and what he brings to the JL. If anything the OP making a thread about overpowered characters in general while not singling any one hero out vs them specifically singling Batman out here proves my point about the bias against him.

If Batman does have more writerwank than other heroes it's only because he appears in twice the amount of stories as them. Crank up the amount Green Arrow, Black Widow, etc appear and they'll have just as many PIS moments as him. On the flip side since he pops up in so many books he also has far more moments where he is beaten up or embarrassed. But those don't fit the "REEE BATGOD!" narrative so we don't hear about them much.

The idea that he is targeted may be laughable to you because you outright refuse to admit *anybody* here hates him. From what you say every single user here is a huge BatGod loving stan. No one complains about him or bashes him. Even if someone flat out made a thread wishing death on him you'd find away to deflect and bring up how someone dared complain about the Batfamily.

You're really trying to compare the alleged hate the Titans, Batfamily and Wonder Woman get to the hate Batman gets. He gets more negative threads made about him in a month than those 3 get in a year combined. There are little to no Batfamily or Wonder Woman threads even made in this sub, their threads are mostly in their respective forums. BTW complaing about writer X's run on WW isn't the same as complaing about Wonder Woman as a character, 2 completely different things. Batman gets multiple threads saying he's unrealistic, makes others look bad, overexposed, unlikable, etc here on a regular basis.

Batman is by far the most hated and bitched about character on CBR, only Joker, Harley and Superman come close. The Batfamily, WW and Titans especially Dick and Wally are the exact opposite, EVERYONE loves them and flies into a rage when they think they're being screwed over.

[Wat]

I really don't buy the likes of Supes, Diana, Jonn, Kimiyo, and Arthur being nervous around Bats. Perhaps the Flashes and the Hal or Guy Green Lantern. The best I have seen Batman in the League handled well is by Giffen/DeMatteis, Mark Waid's various one shots during the Morrison run, and Joe Kelly. They managed to give Bats his cool moments without making the rest of the team job for him

Yes it does strain the sense of suspension of disbelief too much in universe. Superman can swissfry him, green lantern can throw him to space, wonder Woman can break his neck easily but yet he spars regularly with them without breaking any Bones and is able to lift gls ring bypassing it's auto defenses. He is a ringer human just like Cass.

[The True Detective]

Yes it does strain the sense of suspension of disbelief too much in universe. Superman can swissfry him, green lantern can throw him to space, wonder Woman can break his neck easily but yet he spars regularly with them without breaking any Bones and is able to lift gls ring bypassing it's auto defenses. He is a ringer human just like Cass.

I don't get the "they can easily kill him so why would they fear him" mindset, first of all they obviously aren't going to kill him and secondly sometimes someone being physically weaker doesn't stop them from being intimidating. There are stereotypes of huge men being intimidated by their tiny wives, mothers or even grandmothers. Obviously a 6'3 220lb man can easily overpower his 5'1 90lb 80 year old Grandma but it doesn't mean he won't be scared when she comes at him with a slipper.

[MoneySpider]

It is depicted often that all the heroes admit that Batman and his methods inspire fear unless you haven't read much of DC. It was a plot point used by John's to explain the animosity between hal and Bruce cuz he was the only one not afraid of the silly bat which is ridiculous.

Yeah, Batman's methods inspire fear in CRIMINALS, but are there any of Batman's Justice League peers or his other allies that are scared of him? Yeah, I think Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, John Stewart, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, etc. being scared of him would be ridiculous as well.

[SiegePerilous02]

I don't get the "they can easily kill him so why would they fear him" mindset, first of all they obviously aren't going to kill him and secondly sometimes someone being physically weaker doesn't stop them from being intimidating. There are stereotypes of huge men being intimidated by their tiny wives, mothers or even grandmothers. Obviously a 6'3 220lb man can easily overpower his 5'1 90lb 80 year old Grandma but it doesn't mean he won't be scared when she comes at him with a slipper.

Even knowing that he won't kill them (though God knows that doesn't stop him from sometimes doing it accidentally anyway), they shouldn't be intimated by him. Wonder Woman regularly fights monsters from Greek myth and has had the Olympian pantheon pissed off at her. Why should some spoiled man-child intimidate her when he's throwing a temper tantrum?

This doesn't even get into that Bruce is a smart and compassionate man at his core. Why would he waste time and energy trying to put on intimidating airs around people he knows are on his side? It just makes him look bad and sucks the appealing aspects of his character right out.

[The Kid]

He should fight with the JL but not the same caliber as the other members of the JL. Batman's biggest contribution to the JL should always be detective work, espionage, and being the overall strategist (compared to WW who would probably be in charge of tactics). Making him a front line soldier on par with the JL is both really unrealistic and makes the other members look bad.

Batman is one of my favorite superheroes but it's not 'hate' to state you don't like him in these kinds of stories. It takes a very skilled writer to actually write Batgod and so far only Morrison has actually pulled it off

[Wat]

I don't get the "they can easily kill him so why would they fear him" mindset, first of all they obviously aren't going to kill him and secondly sometimes someone being physically weaker doesn't stop them from being intimidating. There are stereotypes of huge men being intimidated by their tiny wives, mothers or even grandmothers. Obviously a 6'3 220lb man can easily overpower his 5'1 90lb 80 year old Grandma but it doesn't mean he won't be scared when she comes at him with a slipper.

Lol imagine Batman getting beaten by a slipper by his aunt. :He will no doubt kill himself after the frightening experience.

[SiegePerilous02]

Lol imagine Batman getting beaten by a slipper by his aunt. :He will no doubt kill himself after the frightening experience.

Aunt Agatha don't shiv.

[Wat]

Aunt Agatha don't shiv.

She is the god damned bat aunt!

[Agent Z]

I swear you go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging the hate Batman gets almost like the very notion of an extremely popular character being hated is foreign or offensive to you.

Well, if this ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

What does a thread the OP made about overpowered characters have to do with this specific thread?

About as much as any other thread made about Batman has to do with this one.

If Batman does have more writerwank than other heroes it's only because he appears in twice the amount of stories as them.

Yeah, that's kind of one of the problems here.

On the flip side since he pops up in so many books he also has far more moments where he is beaten up or embarrassed.

No. There are way more instances of this happening to characters appearing less than Batman or even ones appearing nearly as often as he does.

But those don't fit the "REEE BATGOD!" narrative so we don't hear about them much.

We don't hear about them much because they don't happen as much as you think they do.

The idea that he is targeted may be laughable to you because you outright refuse to admit *anybody* here hates him. From what you say every single user here is a huge BatGod loving stan. No one complains about him or bashes him. Even if someone flat out made a thread wishing death on him you'd find away to deflect and bring up how someone dared complain about the Batfamily.

Just like how according to you, no one ever complains about the Batfamily, the Titans or ever disses a character that isn't Batman. You're not even actually reading the responses to this thread. If you were, you'd notice that few, if any, are actually hating on him, just criticizing his role and siting ways it could be better.

Also, you're not exactly helping your case by having a quote about how Bruce Wayne fans hate the Batfamily in your profile.