Anyone annoyed with the trend started by the MCU making Peter a new hero?

[TheCape]

X-Men would be more difficult, yeah, but Spidey could always be older, hell, his debut even has him being already an active hero, so if they wanted, putting some more years under his belt wouldn't be far fetched.

F4, I guess you could say they were imprisoned somewhere in space, or the Negative Zone, but similar ideas were used with Carol, and Janet, but hey, MCU is creatively bankrupt, so that could still happen .



And it's weird to use Peter for this role when Miles is the more fitting one for it.



It's only because of Ultimate that him staying a teenager became such a big deal, before that adaptations didn't really care about him being a teenager, which's not surprising considering how high school was only kinda there in Ditko's run, Ultimate was ridiculous with how he refused to age, so that stayed iconic lol.

Ultimate Spider-Man is the most sucessfull run of the characther in the 2000s, for good or for ill, so is not a surprise how it became influential. Man is like the universe wants me to like Ultimate even less everyday lol. As for the archetype, i heard that Bendis was starting to write Peter in similar fashion to the MCU version after Ultimatum, after that the book change the style a lot apparently. Especially with Johnny and Bobby living in his house.

[Lukmendes]

Even then, he couldn't have been around for too long. One or two years tops.

He is all over New York and him and his villains are very flashy.

I guess so.

Ultimate Spider-Man is the most sucessfull run of the characther in the 2000s, for good or for ill, so is not a surprise how it became influential. Man is like the universe wants me to like Ultimate even less everyday lol.

I know the feel, while I'm okay with Ultimate Spidey (Don't remember enough to say if I like or dislike it overall), I kinda detest its influence on Spider-Man.

As for the archetype, i heard that Bendis was starting to write Peter in similar fashion to the MCU version after Ultimatum, after that the book change the style a lot apparently. Especially with Johnny and Bobby living in his house.

Wait, that's impossible, by the time MCU got a Spider-Man, Miles was already around, so he couldn't write Peter like MCU Peter lol.

Unless you're saying that Bendis started to write Peter like he's a MCU character, and a combination of Bendis-speak and MCU quipping sounds like having sleep paralysis and diarrhea at once.

Oh well, someday I'll read everything from Ultimate, see if there's more good dialogue like "HULK STRAIGHT!" .

[Frontier]

Even then, he couldn't have been around for too long. One or two years tops.

He is all over New York and him and his villains are very flashy.

This reminds me of circa-Zero Hour when the comics were trying to portray Batman and his people as being urban legends despite them having been around for decades and been public for a good deal of them.

[Kaitou D. Kid]

I don't know if Ultimate Spider-Man (the comic) counts as Peter being a "new hero". That Peter showed up at the same time as the X-Men and Ultimates.

[TheCape]

I guess so.



I know the feel, while I'm okay with Ultimate Spidey (Don't remember enough to say if I like or dislike it overall), I kinda detest its influence on Spider-Man.



Wait, that's impossible, by the time MCU got a Spider-Man, Miles was already around, so he couldn't write Peter like MCU Peter lol.

Unless you're saying that Bendis started to write Peter like he's a MCU character, and a combination of Bendis-speak and MCU quipping sounds like having sleep paralysis and diarrhea at once.

Oh well, someday I'll read everything from Ultimate, see if there's more good dialogue like "HULK STRAIGHT!" .

I read the Ultimate Spider-Man series until the Carnage storyline, it is fine and i can certanly see why it was popular, i just don't like many of the random changes that were less modernization and more like "Bendis just feel like it".

I'm saying that after Ultimatum, Peter was written as having more interest on the Avengers/Ultimates, even being an Iron Man fanboy and starting to get training. Obviously MCU Spidey wasn't a thing back then, but it seems that MCU Peter is vaguely based in that particular version. Sorry for not explaining well lol.

Isn't there also a dialogue like "HULK THE HORNIEST THERE IS" lol. Man, i need to read Ultimates, it seems to be less painfull if i don't take it seriously, althought what i heard of the plot of the second kind of bothers me (apparently Red Skull is Cap's son

[Chris0013]

To me it doesn't matter whether he's new or established so much as him being independent and competent and not needing to get lectured or treated as "the kid" by other heroes.

This...I kind of like that he is "new" in the MCU as everyone is pretty much getting origined for the MCU...They should have just let him be his own thing and not Tony Stark Jr.

I did like how he and Steve interacted in Civil War. It is a shame to me that they did not get more interaction. I would have preferred Steve and Pete to Tony and Pete in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

[Lukmendes]

I read the Ultimate Spider-Man series until the Carnage storyline, it is fine and i can certanly see why it was popular, i just don't like many of the random changes that were less modernization and more like "Bendis just feel like it".

What, you saying Hulk Goblin and Robot Rhino aren't proper modernizations? :P.

I'm saying that after Ultimatum, Peter was written as having more interest on the Avengers/Ultimates, even being an Iron Man fanboy and starting to get training. Obviously MCU Spidey wasn't a thing back then, but it seems that MCU Peter is vaguely based in that particular version. Sorry for not explaining well lol.

Ah yeah, I do remember seeing some of the last issues before Spidey died with him being more interested in those things, but I thought it was just for the sake of irony, y'know, him getting killed before he gets the chance to improve as a hero lol.

Isn't there also a dialogue like "HULK THE HORNIEST THERE IS" lol.

If there is, probably not in Ultimates' first volume.

Unless it is there and I ignored it 'cause horny cannibal Hulk stopped surprising me lol.

Man, i need to read Ultimates, it seems to be less painfull if i don't take it seriously,

There are legit cool moments in it, Ultimates fighting Hulk is a nice fight, if silly at times (Like Janet showing her breasts to Hulk to distract him), but yeah, the edgy shit gets silly so it's better to not take it too seriously, specially if Hulk is around, he's constantly horny:





(Ultimates#5)

It's to the point I'm surprised we never saw his dick's bulge.

althought what i heard of the plot of the second kind of bothers me (apparently Red Skull is Cap's son

I didn't read Ultimates 2 yet, but I heard Red Skull is Cap's son yeah.

I did like how he and Steve interacted in Civil War. It is a shame to me that they did not get more interaction. I would have preferred Steve and Pete to Tony and Pete in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

I guess Peter could learn from Steve how to abandon everything for some fling he had in the past :P

[Mistah K88]

Which of the two modern animated series had Kamala Khan of all people lecture Spider-Man? It’s bad enough when Spider-Man gets dumped on by people who were actually adults when he started (despite some of them suiting up later than he did) but to get scolded by a modern character who is generations younger…it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Frontier]

This...I kind of like that he is "new" in the MCU as everyone is pretty much getting origined for the MCU...They should have just let him be his own thing and not Tony Stark Jr.

I did like how he and Steve interacted in Civil War. It is a shame to me that they did not get more interaction. I would have preferred Steve and Pete to Tony and Pete in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

I wish he'd switched sides after talking with Cap.

Which of the two modern animated series had Kamala Khan of all people lecture Spider-Man? It’s bad enough when Spider-Man gets dumped on by people who were actually adults when he started (despite some of them suiting up later than he did) but to get scolded by a modern character who is generations younger…it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

...The Marvel's Spider-Man cartoon from 2017.

Kamala just had a bad attitude in that episode. But she got better.

[TheCape]

What, you saying Hulk Goblin and Robot Rhino aren't proper modernizations? :P.



Ah yeah, I do remember seeing some of the last issues before Spidey died with him being more interested in those things, but I thought it was just for the sake of irony, y'know, him getting killed before he gets the chance to improve as a hero lol.



If there is, probably not in Ultimates' first volume.

Unless it is there and I ignored it 'cause horny cannibal Hulk stopped surprising me lol.



There are legit cool moments in it, Ultimates fighting Hulk is a nice fight, if silly at times (Like Janet showing her breasts to Hulk to distract him), but yeah, the edgy shit gets silly so it's better to not take it too seriously, specially if Hulk is around, he's constantly horny:





(Ultimates#5)

It's to the point I'm surprised we never saw his dick's bulge.



I didn't read Ultimates 2 yet, but I heard Red Skull is Cap's son yeah.



I guess Peter could learn from Steve how to abandon everything for some fling he had in the past :P

Or Venom being a cure for cancer, because aliens were to unrealistic apparently lol. Still, at least that last one gave us a few laughts.

It was definetly for that reason that Bendis did it, but i think that is kind of hilarious how MCU Peter ended in avery similar, just without having Iceman and Human Torch living with him lol.

Millar seems to be obssesed with conecting Hulk issues with some sort of sexual repression when canonically it has always been about anger issues, even before they were conected with Bruce's abusive dad. He did the same with Hulk in Old Man Logan, Hulk fans don't want him close to the characther for good reasons lol. Frankly if he wanted to make a parody he should for the angle of Hulk's short being so tight that they crushing his dick constanly lol.

That thing with Cap reminds to that woman called Sarah that Peter got weirdly obssesed with even before they started a relationship in Aaron's Wolverine&Spider-Man mini.

The Marvel's Spider-Man cartoon from 2017.

Kamala just had a bad attitude in that episode. But she got better.

Isn't this the same series when Peter and Kamala were ship teased? lol. Granted they both teens in this universe, but is so bizarre to see an universe when Peter is in the age range of Miles, Kamala and Anya lol.

[Lukmendes]

Or Venom being a cure for cancer, because aliens were to unrealistic apparently lol. Still, at least that last one gave us a few laughts.

I can understand the Venom one at least, while alien life forms aren't far fetched even in Ultimate, it is a bit weird for Spidey's world for him to get such a major thing that is of alien origin, so making it be man made, more understandable, or at least, not the same level of "Okay but why?" as Hulk Goblin.

It was definetly for that reason that Bendis did it, but i think that is kind of hilarious how MCU Peter ended in avery similar, just without having Iceman and Human Torch living with him lol.

Well, F4 and X-Men weren't available at the time, so yeah, Amazing Friends wasn't happening even if they wanted to.

Maybe if they made rip offs, y'know, like Firestar, and then make a female Icewoman because why not .

Millar seems to be obssesed with conecting Hulk issues with some sort of sexual repression when canonically it has always been about anger issues, even before they were conected with Bruce's abusive dad. He did the same with Hulk in Old Man Logan, Hulk fans don't want him close to the characther for good reasons lol.

Yeah it's weird, and while I can understand what he's going for, that Hulk is Banner's repressed emotions overall, Millar uses the horny side too much.

It does make Hulk the funniest character in Ultimates though, for all the wrong reasons, but, still lol.

spoilers:

Don't forget Old Man Logan also decided to make Hulk fucking She-Hulk, 'cause hey, Millar really likes incest and cannibalism for some reason, so figures he'd use both with Hulk...

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Frankly if he wanted to make a parody he should for the angle of Hulk's short being so tight that they crushing his dick constanly lol.

No wonder he's so angry all the time .

Could even use this to retcon the whole thing of Umar raping the Hulk, say that all she did was remove his pants and he calmed down immediately .

That thing with Cap reminds to that woman called Sarah that Peter got weirdly obssesed with even before they started a relationship in Aaron's Wolverine&Spider-Man mini.

That sounds odd.

Isn't this the same series when Peter and Kamala were ship teased? lol. Granted they both teens in this universe, but is so bizarre to see an universe when Peter is in the age range of Miles, Kamala and Anya lol.

I remember checking out random Spidey arts on Deviantart and saw him being shipped with Supergirl, my immediate reaction was "What the fuck, he's almost 30 years old".

And then a few weeks ago I saw a comic where Spidey has a Supergirl comic and I think he says he had a crush on her when he was a kid, so that's funny lol

Unfortunately, can't find it right now, but it's post marriage.

But hey, aging up or down characters happens, like Zatanna, who 's a few years older than Dick I think when introduced, then became about as old as Bruce, and then YJ makes her into a teenager so she can flirt with Dick, weird shit lol.

[The Kid]

Meh I don't really see the problem. High school Spidey is iconic and fits the universe established in the MCU. Also don't really see the problem with Ultimate or even the MCU reimagining different parts of Spider-Man's story.

[Frontier]

Meh I don't really see the problem. High school Spidey is iconic and fits the universe established in the MCU. Also don't really see the problem with Ultimate or even the MCU reimagining different parts of Spider-Man's story.

Variety is the spice of life, but at the same time I think people just appreciate seeing older Spider-Man and don't appreciate how Spider-Man being a kid has been used in reference other adult heroes in the MCU (like Iron Man).

[TheCape]

Maybe if they made rip offs, y'know, like Firestar, and then make a female Icewoman because why not .

Well, can't be worse than the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon lol.

No wonder he's so angry all the time .

Could even use this to retcon the whole thing of Umar raping the Hulk, say that all she did was remove his pants and he calmed down immediately .

Lol, that sounds perfect, althougth i heard that Greg Pak retconed somehow. That also reminds me that Hulk also got molested in Future Imperfect by PAD, yikes, althought i heard than that one was treated as genuinely traumatic expirience for Bruce.

Also to quote a youtube comment:
"Contrary to the popular belief, Hulk's pants are the strongest thing there is" .

I remember checking out random Spidey arts on Deviantart and saw him being shipped with Supergirl, my immediate reaction was "What the fuck, he's almost 30 years old".

Spider-Man has been shipped with everyone in the DC and Marvel Universe by fans, so is not surprise lol. Althought is ironic that Kara should technically be older than him at this point. By the way i read Superman vs Spider-Man finally and in spite of the obvious problems with teamed up the two for being in vastly different leagues, it was still fun. Lex Luthor riding Doc Ock (not a porn tittle) is the best comic boon panel ever.

But hey, aging up or down characters happens, like Zatanna, who 's a few years older than Dick I think when introduced, then became about as old as Bruce, and then YJ makes her into a teenager so she can flirt with Dick, weird shit lol.

That was the first time that i met the characther of Zatanna, imagine my surprised when i discovered her comic book story.

[Lukmendes]

Well, can't be worse than the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon lol.

Scrapping the bottom of the barrel here.

That MJ as Carnage, what the hell lo.

Lol, that sounds perfect, althougth i heard that Greg Pak retconed somehow. That also reminds me that Hulk also got molested in Future Imperfect by PAD, yikes, althought i heard than that one was treated as genuinely traumatic expirience for Bruce.

I remember seeing some panels of that, it looks like he indeed got raped there.

Also to quote a youtube comment:
"Contrary to the popular belief, Hulk's pants are the strongest thing there is" .

That sounds like advertisement for a brand lol.

Spider-Man has been shipped with everyone in the DC and Marvel Universe by fans, so is not surprise lol.

Yeah, but I default Spidey to an adult, and Kara is basically an eternal teenager, so seeing one shipped with the other weirds me out, even if the intention was probably with both as teenagers.

Althought is ironic that Kara should technically be older than him at this point.

Yeah but she doesn't tend to age, I don't know how old she was before she got killed, but in post-Crisis she started at 15, and was 18 around the time Flashpoint happened, and I remember Rebirth Supergirl saying she's still 15, meaning the entirety of New 52 up until Rebirth, she didn't even age an year... Guess you can say she has that in common with one version of Spidey, Ultimate Spidey of course lol.

By the way i read Superman vs Spider-Man finally and in spite of the obvious problems with teamed up the two for being in vastly different leagues, it was still fun. Lex Luthor riding Doc Ock (not a porn tittle) is the best comic boon panel ever.

Yeah the biggest problem is that on the adventure side, it's a Superman story with Spidey and Otto very awkwardly shoved in on the team-up happens, but it's still a fun enough story, Romita's art certainly helps.

And yeah, Luthor riding Otto is just great:



And to my surprise, I also learned that a particular popular panel with Luthor is from it:

That was the first time that i met the characther of Zatanna, imagine my surprised when i discovered her comic book story.

You only learned of Zatanna from YJ? That's surprisingly late lol.

It's actually funny to look at her earliest stories, Batman says twice he never met Zatanna before, which just looks funny now that the retcons have them dating as teens lol.