TAS adapted the X-terminators (Boom Boom, Wiz Kid, etc...) and that was from X-Terminators/X-Factor. It also adapted Beauty and the Beast
Speaking of which the Archangel stuff with Apocalypse also came from X-Factor, not the main series. Endgame was partially adapted in Episode 3 of this series and that was an X-Factor plot
Last edited by Havok83; 04-10-2024 at 07:20 AM.
No prob. Most of the plots came from the main series bc thats where most of the OG cast were written but Scott and Jean were written in other books for large chunks of the 80s so there was material to mine from there. And now with so many of the cast having also been on other teams, I think it will be easier to bring in some of those plot element into this show
Hi, Rachel fan here. I get that some comics fans (Lorna in the case of this episode) might not like alterations to stories we loved in the comics especially those are inherent to our favorite characters. But X-Men TAS and X-Men '97 are not and will never be the means of a faithfully retelling of classic stories and events in a new medium. It's just the truth and anyone is welcome to be critical of the show for a myriad of reasons, but faithful retelling shouldn't be one in a different universe. Otherwise I could be enraged that all of Rachel's storyline in TAS and '97 were given to Bishop. Or the core elements of her hound background were given to others in TAS and The Gifted. Or Kitty in DoFP the movie. I can choose to be mad and not enjoy the other parts that are brilliant, or be vocally disappointed but still excited to see these stories coming to life and the impact it's having.
This all day.
Music was phenomenal in this episode. Everything is just perfect.
The retcon was terrible, and the drama didn't do much for Rogue. Gambit was badass in the end, but I don't know if all the cuckolding was worth it.
Since we saw Maddie had a red (Sinister) diamond on her forehead in previous episodes, what if she went full on red diamond (a’la Emma Frost’s diamond form) on Genosha?
I've seen people mentioning this, but I guess it would make living in the mansion with her original quite complicated. And also, for what? All the interesting bits between Emma and Scott during Morrison are already here in this episode. Unless they want Maddie to make snark comments towards others, but that's ooc and Emma is already doing that better.
In the original comics, Lorna was active on Genosha prior to the genocide. Readers saw her doing things there. I would have expected to at least see her present in the area if they had to limit content for time and save acknowledging her experience for later.
That they felt the need to tease her having been on 90s X-Factor in opening credits of the previous episode (despite having a reminder through the photo Forge has during the episode itself), but didn't do something similar to show Lorna present on Genosha, tells us what to expect.
Also I see ExodusCloak's post and agree with it. Cartoon sucks and perhaps goes a long way to explain for me why I never got into it back in the 90s but got into DC content. If this is a reflection of the X-Men cartoon in the 90s, then it's a good thing I never watched it.
What I'm about to say is not a personal attack. It's response mixed with some frustration with past experiences dealing with this kind of thinking.
This feels very much comes across to me as making excuses for bad decisions. It very much reminds me of the issue of P-30 in Resident Evil 5. The game screwed Jill Valentine over at the end (didn't let her get any kind of catharsis for having been controlled but aware as her body was used to commit atrocities and kill allies for 2 years, as well as create the new virus), the dev team used the excuse of P-30 wearing her out too much to join in the final fight. Uncritical fans of Capcom and the franchise went on to say the dev team's excuse because that's just how P-30 works... as if that same dev team hadn't created P-30 specifically for RE5 and had no control over how it works or anything in the narrative.
We have the same situation here. The team behind this cartoon had control over the narrative. They made a deliberate, conscious choice to shape the narrative this way, to use or not use certain characters. Not only that, they went against the comics to do it. They don't even have precedence and source material on their side.
Fans eager to cheerlead this cartoon say to appreciate the franchise as a whole, but frankly not even the people making this cartoon respect it, otherwise they would've acknowledged and used Lorna and Emma and their experiences instead of being colossal tools.
It was, but that's a decade and a half ago, the cartoon was killed by the Disney buyout so it didn't get to actually do all it should have, and that's kinda like saying origin stories of Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, etc only needed to be told in a single movie and then never touched again. Even if that's a personal view, it's clearly not the view whenever a new movie, cartoon, etc is made with them.
Actually, it is. People resonate with things like the Genoshan genocide and characters who we see these things through. Disregarding such things is disrespectful, especially when it would be extremely easy to acknowledge those elements.
You say later in your post that the cartoon is there simply to entertain and be "fun." If that's all it is, then they shouldn't have touched on the Genoshan genocide and shouldn't try to do anything deeper than good guys punching bad guys. Way too much seriousness and emotional gravity for this cartoon. And now that I think about it, if the people making this cartoon can't be respectful enough to characters like Lorna and Emma in the midst of this? Then maybe we're both right. Maybe it's just for fun, and maybe the cartoon should stop trying to be deep and stick to the shallow fare it's better for.
I've been here. If Askani's Flame wants to let Rachel and what she offers suffer by not sticking up for the character when she gets screwed over, then so be it. I'm not built that way.
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