X-Men '97: The Animated Series

[Master of Sound]

If you're talking about the trailer, Sunspot wasn't in it.

No I thought it would launch on 20 March, hence my ask on Sunspot's portrayal

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

X-Men was the one of, if not arguably the, only "woke" things in media in the 90s. That is what made it popular and why it is getting a revival now. I can not even fathom how these flatscans don't retain the messaging of X-Men at this point for them to accuse the series of going "woke". It's beyond unnecessary.

Well, you've gotta remember that compared to other forms of media, comics are much smaller in exposure. None of the X-Men shows featured LGBTQ characters being openly LGBTQ, and out of all the movies, they only had Bobby's coded "Have you ever tried NOT being a mutant?" joke. To the non-readers who make up the majority of the audience, this really is coming out of nowhere.

[Odd Rödney]

Well for season 2 I hope the writers have enough balls to incorporate the retcon and let Mystique and Destiny be Nightcrawler's biological parents. That would be fun.

This would be amazing and I for one would be all for it. The Austen origin story for Kurt was dumb as hell and most of the folks that hate the new version or Kurt's origin (which is really the old one, if you know what I mean) are just weird right wing phobic types. It's oxymoronic that such people are fans of this franchise, TBH.

There's a fan-theory that Disher will voice Maddie. It's odd that we have TOYS confirming Maddie will be there.... but not the VA name.

One anomaly in the last season of TAS was that Jean shows up.... but they never explained how/why... it'd make a certain amount of sense if it was actually Maddie.

Yeah, I'm thinking that this is the case. We'll just have to wait and see.

[bat39]

So I personally know a friend who I used to lend him comics to read alot being X-MEN and for the last few years, he wont give Disney his money for being woke and he won't give X-MEN 97 a try due to the Morph being non binary despite enjoying the original 90s series. I called him out of it for not being a poser fan who don't get the main theme or message of X-MEN while my other friend, another chud defended him saying that there's anyway you can enjoy a franchise justifying how he's a huge Gundam fan but its themes is pacifism which he don't agree with, and it doesn't make him less of a fan the same way the other chud is a X-men fan despite all he enjoy is cool costumes, and battles with aliens and giant robots. What you think. do I have a right to call him a poser x-men fan or not a true fan. I been both friends are chuds who are MAGA and has fucked up views.

I'm personally opposed to this notion that you 'cannot' be a fan of the X-men (or any other media franchise that's perceived as being 'progressive' or 'left-leaning'...Doctor Who and Star Trek are other examples that spring to mind) if you do not wholeheartedly support every opinion held by the activists, political leaders, and media/corporate elites who currently hold sway over 'progressive' or 'left-wing' discource. Or that there's some immutable binary between being a perfect 'progressive' or a perfect 'conservative' (or, to use the progressive parlance, 'bigot' or 'deplorable'), which can be perfectly mapped onto being 'good' or 'evil'.

Also, my two cents on the usage of the term 'woke', because its often used to describe two (or more) completely different things. There are people, including on this thread, who use 'woke' as a synonym for 'liberal', 'progressive' or 'tolerant' (which means that being anti-woke is by definition being illiberal, regressive and intolerant). Whereas many people, including myself, use the term 'woke' to describe what is essentially a kind of neo-Marxist construct wherein the world is divided into permanent 'oppressor' and 'oppressed' groups, and the 'oppressed' groups need to be empowered to fight and dominate the 'oppressor' groups (who's an 'oppressor' and who's 'oppressed' being determined by political/business expediency).

If you exclude people for not sharing your exact views on complex situations, you are not some champion of inclusion either. The right wing and the left wing are simply two aspects of the same beast.

X-Men are not without flaws, be they the films, shows, or comics. One person can love the 60's era, another Claremont's run, another Lobdell's 90's, another Morrison's, another Carey's, another Hickman's, another Ewing's, and hate all the other writers' runs. One person can be a huge fan of Emma, another thinks she's a callous villain at heart. One person can love Wolverine, another thinks he's a psychotic creep. One person can love Morph as a non-binary person, another think's Morph's best as a funny man womanizer, yet another likes Morph best as a PTSD survivor taking his time to recuperate.

The various presentations are never consistent across the board, so why would people appreciate the exact same aspects? If X-Men has any central message, it's that the planet is big enough for everyone, bigots included. The X-Men fight for those who hate and fear them. Republicans included.

Well said!

Intolerance is intolerance. The bigot your reject today could pull you out of a ditch tomorrow. The downtrodden you uplift could stab you in the back. The moral high ground can sometimes be a slippery slope and bite you in the butt, but that's the price that is paid.

True. And I think the best X-men stories (and the best stories in general) are the ones which try to capture this complexity.

I feel that's why there are (or at least were...its been awhile since I've been part of one of those discussions) a not insignificant contingent of fans who felt uncomfortable with the Krakoa era - because it upset their simplistic worldview of permanent 'oppressor' and 'oppressed' groups.

[Android 17]

It makes sense that a shapeshifter who could be male, female, neither, or both simultaneously at will would have a more fluid understanding of their sex and gender. It's not surprising that Mystique has been with men and women as well.

Also, Beau Demayo, the showrunner, explained in his Instagram stories that while Morph will be nonbinary and use they/them pronouns, the term nonbinary isn't being used because it wasn't widely known or used during the 90s.

Now that part is the only thing I can't buy about the Morph storyline. I mean look it's set in the late 90s, people were even more ignorant then than they still are now. Characters using the correct pronouns then is unbelievable.

But whatever.

[Rift]

Now that part is the only thing I can't buy about the Morph storyline. I mean look it's set in the late 90s, people were even more ignorant then than they still are now. Characters using the correct pronouns then is unbelievable.

But whatever.

Tbh I feel like the X-Men would still be up for using Morph's preferred pronouns. They're Morph's friends and the X-Men would know not to judge people for being different, even if they might not fully understand it. Not that mutants can't be ignorant or intolerant of others, but it's perfectly reasonable for them to be cool with it.

[Android 17]

This would be amazing and I for one would be all for it. The Austen origin story for Kurt was dumb as hell and most of the folks that hate the new version or Kurt's origin (which is really the old one, if you know what I mean) are just weird right wing phobic types. It's oxymoronic that such people are fans of this franchise, TBH.

Very oxymoronic my friend. Totally agree, do it the way Claremont intended. Even the way they left Mystique and Kurt could work.

She survived her fall in the water, she cried watching Kurt and Rogue, knowing full well she lied to Kurt about how he came to be. It also dredges up for her memories of her beloved Irene and you just take the story from there.

Tbh I feel like the X-Men would still be up for using Morph's preferred pronouns. They're Morph's friends and the X-Men would know not to judge people for being different, even if they might not fully understand it. Not that mutants can't be ignorant or intolerant of others, but it's perfectly reasonable for them to be cool with it.

When you put it that way, that is very reasonable and believable.

[marhawkman]

Also, my two cents on the usage of the term 'woke', because its often used to describe two (or more) completely different things. There are people, including on this thread, who use 'woke' as a synonym for 'liberal', 'progressive' or 'tolerant' (which means that being anti-woke is by definition being illiberal, regressive and intolerant). Whereas many people, including myself, use the term 'woke' to describe what is essentially a kind of neo-Marxist construct wherein the world is divided into permanent 'oppressor' and 'oppressed' groups, and the 'oppressed' groups need to be empowered to fight and dominate the 'oppressor' groups (who's an 'oppressor' and who's 'oppressed' being determined by political/business expediency).

And then you have "woke" types who try to suppress everything they dislike. "You disagree with us, therefore you're bad and not allowed to share your opinion!"

But yeah that kinda works alongside the "oppressor" thing a lot of the time. The ranting on social media is all about competing for dominance.

[ChronoRogue]

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/statu...24198847668507

‘X-MEN '97’ trailer set an internal Disney record as the biggest launch for an animated series on Disney Plus.

though there isn't a ton of animation that disney puts out nowadays

If it wasn't obvious before, the X-Men 97 definitely went viral and got a lot of people's attention.

[Frontier]

I'm curious how the Hellfire Club will factor into the plot, since I think we have an idea of what's going on with Sinister and the Sentinels.

[bat39]

And then you have "woke" types who try to suppress everything they dislike. "You disagree with us, therefore you're bad and not allowed to share your opinion!"

But yeah that kinda works alongside the "oppressor" thing a lot of the time. The ranting on social media is all about competing for dominance.

True.

And honestly, I'm okay with the social media ranting - which is just another way we all express our right to free speech and open debate.

The problem is that, in recent years, some of this 'competing for dominance' has gone far beyond the realm of ranting, with institutional power (be it government, media or corporate) being leveraged to target people with views that the 'woke' disagree with. And now we're seeing some pushback against this...pushback which, in many cases, unfortunately, throws the baby out with the bathwater and sets us a little back in terms of tolerance and acceptance of diversity.

[Android 17]

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/statu...24198847668507


though there isn't a ton of animation that disney puts out nowadays

If it wasn't obvious before, the X-Men 97 definitely went viral and got a lot of people's attention.

The trailer really took off and people are STILL talking about it on social media.

We're back sugah.

[marhawkman]

True.

And honestly, I'm okay with the social media ranting - which is just another way we all express our right to free speech and open debate.

The problem is that, in recent years, some of this 'competing for dominance' has gone far beyond the realm of ranting, with institutional power (be it government, media or corporate) being leveraged to target people with views that the 'woke' disagree with. And now we're seeing some pushback against this...pushback which, in many cases, unfortunately, throws the baby out with the bathwater and sets us a little back in terms of tolerance and acceptance of diversity.

Yeah, it's not "tolerance" if you only "tolerate" people you like.

[Uncanny X-Man]

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/statu...24198847668507


though there isn't a ton of animation that disney puts out nowadays

If it wasn't obvious before, the X-Men 97 definitely went viral and got a lot of people's attention.

Between that, Deadpool & Wolverine's trailer views and Bob Iger's comments about how Marvel will prioritize their biggest franchises going forward, it's hard not to speculate that Disney might fast-track more X-Men stuff in the near future instead of jerking around and making us wait until 202X for a proper X-Men reboot.

[ChildOfTheAtom]

I'm curious how the Hellfire Club will factor into the plot, since I think we have an idea of what's going on with Sinister and the Sentinels.

the funny thing is on their last appearance Shaw declared they will be back… never to return lol