X-Men '97: The Animated Series

[Uncanny X-Man]

I was referring more to the nudity...

Young Justice has been showing Superboy running around the Phantom Zone in his underwear for a dozen episodes now, I feel that should be the benchmark going forward.

[Lukmendes]

Heck, they already used that to explain why Laura's bones are Adamantium now.

You mean Proteus is doing that with her? Surprising, I assumed they would just use the same thing as X-Force.

Young Justice has been showing Superboy running around the Phantom Zone in his underwear for a dozen episodes now, I feel that should be the benchmark going forward.

YJ isn't made for kids anymore, compare the gore from season 2, which were just bloody spots (Most noticeable when Ra's gets killed in the last episode) with season 3, where Cyborg had his body mutilated in episode 11, and it was shown.

Althought, it would be noticeable if X-Men doesn't follow the route of YJ and Samurai Jack season 5 which they were made for an older audience, since X-Men is older than both.

[ChronoRogue]

I was referring more to the nudity...

Oh! Well, it's still Disney so I doubt it lol.

That said, the production staff have stated they wanted more adult portrayals so who really knows.

[marhawkman]

And about Quiet Council, I think people who only watched X-Men via cartoons and whatnot would find them a really odd decision, specially with Xavier being so villainous, since most of his adaptations have him being far nicer.

Or dead, that sometimes happens too. Hmm idn't the original XM:TAS run end up with him in Shi'ar space?

[Phoenixx9]

Or dead, that sometimes happens too. Hmm idn't the original XM:TAS run end up with him in Shi'ar space?

Yes. Xavier went with Lilandra to be healed, if possible.

[gonnagiveittoya]

They will probably move up to Krakoa. After all there’s an XMen comic that goes directly from the cartoon to Krakoa.

I think the existence of the comic makes Krakoa far far less likely since it'd be literally the same damn thing.

[Confuzzled]

I think the existence of the comic makes Krakoa far far less likely since it'd be literally the same damn thing.

But that's how most book adaptations work?

Having said that, I don't think Krakoa will be this season.

[gonnagiveittoya]

But that's how most book adaptations work?

Having said that, I don't think Krakoa will be this season.

But like if X-Men 97 were doing a 90s version of Krakoa why would the comic division do it a year in advance of the show?

[Sin Nick]

I hope to God they never adapt the Krakoa nonsense into this show. I can't even imagine the 90s versions of characters like Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister being able to co-exist with the X-Men.

[Jackraow21]

I can. The show was silly and the villains super campy. I can absolutely see them all sitting at the same table having to co-exist and cooperate. In fact, it makes me laugh to think about it.

[Frontier]

I can. The show was silly and the villains super campy. I can absolutely see them all sitting at the same table having to co-exist and cooperate. In fact, it makes me laugh to think about it.

That sounds more like a Legion of Doom .

[Uncanny X-Man]

But like if X-Men 97 were doing a 90s version of Krakoa why would the comic division do it a year in advance of the show?

Sometimes the comics try to anticipate what the MCU will do. Sometimes it's a giant clusterfuck, like Captain Marvel's alien origin.

[Uncanny X-Man]

You mean Proteus is doing that with her? Surprising, I assumed they would just use the same thing as X-Force.



YJ isn't made for kids anymore, compare the gore from season 2, which were just bloody spots (Most noticeable when Ra's gets killed in the last episode) with season 3, where Cyborg had his body mutilated in episode 11, and it was shown.

Althought, it would be noticeable if X-Men doesn't follow the route of YJ and Samurai Jack season 5 which they were made for an older audience, since X-Men is older than both.

I believe X-Men 97 should and will be done with a slightly older audience in mind. I'm not talking about "mature viewers" but I fully expect a level of sophistication the original show didn't have. Again, not in terms of gore or sex or nudity but more in the storytelling. A good example would be Kevin Smith's He-Man: Revelations, whose characters and stories were infinitely more complex than the original ones.

[Sin Nick]

I believe X-Men 97 should and will be done with a slightly older audience in mind. I'm not talking about "mature viewers" but I fully expect a level of sophistication the original show didn't have. Again, not in terms of gore or sex or nudity but more in the storytelling. A good example would be Kevin Smith's He-Man: Revelations, whose characters and stories were infinitely more complex than the original ones.

I think it would be more fair to compare the Netflix He-Man show to the early 2000s show that aired on Cartoon Network as it's not hard to tell more complex story telling than a early 80s cartoon for children. As for X-Men TAS, other than Batman and Gargoyles, no other animated show with a TV-Y7 rating was touching subjects X-Men were at the time. My favorite episodes was the 2 part One Man's Worth and it had a scene where a bartender was refusing to serve Storm, Bishop, and Shard because they were black. Seeing Wolverine and Storm holding hands probably set him off too. X-Men TAS was also the first American cartoon I know of that had serial storytelling, which is the norm now for this streaming era.

[ChronoRogue]

I'm not sure they would do that, Krakoa can exist without random depowering, hell, the way Hickman did it, mutants being depowered was barely mentioned, if mentioned at all, in HoX/PoX, I only remember X-Men#7 vol 5 putting emphasis on that at its laterst, which was about the Crucible.

If they use the Moira nonsense, then there's no need for random mutants being depowered, just "mutants always lose" is enough, something House of XCII went for, even if they used Jubilee to take Moira's place, which, really made me see how fucking awkward that retcon is lol.

So yeah, depowering doesn't have to be there, Krakoa at its most basic is "Genosha/Utopia on steroids", if Moira **** is used, then there's no need for more reasoning for Krakoa to happen, it's harder to excuse how it can happen without it though, because even if Krakoa **** has too many characters acting out of character, it started because of this desperate need to survive, stuff needs to get real bad at some point for characters to consider teaming up with villains for long.

I think the concept of Krakoa can exist but the X-Men spearheading it without the push and experience from multiple extinction events? It took a long time to break their spirits and really make them see isolationism as a option as opposed to integration. To be fair, they haven't completely given up on integration, but they'd definitely fallen into more grey area regarding relations with humans. Going so far as to ban humans without hard ties to a mutant from entering Krakoa. I do think you need the extinction plots to explain this huge change in a lot of characters thinking, especially for characters like Jean and Cyclops who most believed in Xavier's dream. Heck Xavier himself from the 90s might have turned up his nose at Krakoa... before the Moira recton anyway.

I don't think the "mutants always lose" is enough unless you basically explain to the entire mutant population why they are being shuffled off to an isolated island. It shouldn't work for most characters to get cut off like that.

It works for some mutants to see Genosha as a viable option, but the 90s X-Men were always more optimistic and hopeful regarding the dream.