Spider-man : Freshmen Year new series d+

[Jman27]

Julen Perez, Paolo Rivera, and Leonard Romero are handling the character designs.

She's also been in TV like Euphoria or movies like Dune and Malcolm and Marie.

i wouldnt mention dune she really didnt do anything except look pretty

[PCN24454]

Neither Zendaya or Dunst is really MJ. Why? Those two are too innocent and nice ( basically one dimensional characters). The Mary Jane that most of us love is a three dimensional character with attitude who can be nice or tough.

And it's comments like these that make it so that we can't blame them for not committing.

[Frontier]

i wouldnt mention dune she really didnt do anything except look pretty

Really? Man, and they marketed her hard .

[NC_Yankee]

And it's comments like these that make it so that we can't blame them for not committing.

My opinion is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to Marvel’s commitment or not to Zendaya. Besides thst, I am entitled ( like anyone else) to my opinions ( provided I did not violate posting rules).

[Jman27]

Really? Man, and they marketed her hard .

yeah cause shes famous. but its only 7 minutes of screen time in total. Part 2 she will do more for sure

[John Venus]

I have pretty much the exact same thoughts on this subject. Good to know I'm not the only one.

Same here.

Yeah I have the same opinion about this, soon after Michelle said "My friends call me MJ", after my surprise was over, I could tell they were cowards, and when I heard that they said Michelle isn't really MJ, then that definitely confirmed they're cowards, 'cause it clearly meant that if Michelle was liked, they could say "Oh yeah, she's MJ", and if she wasn't, then they can backpedal and says she's not.

It's worse when they have Zendaya doing promos and stuff flaunting her red hair and clearly making casuals think she is Mary Jane. It sucks because when you see Zendaya on the red carpet and clips of her in other roles, she could have nailed the MJ role, if they let her.

I noticed that in FFH they kept calling her 'MJ' and never Michelle. Hey, maybe by the third movie they'll confirm that actual name of the character she is playing. ::facepalm::

Neither Zendaya or Dunst is really MJ. Why? Those two are too innocent and nice ( basically one dimensional characters). The Mary Jane that most of us love is a three dimensional character with attitude who can be nice or tough.

Dunst's MJ almost cheated on her fiance and left him at the altar so I wouldn't call her 'innocent and nice'. She was used too much as a damsel and distress and plot device to create conflict for Peter. Not surprising since Spider-Man 2 and Smallville were written by the same people (Alfred Gough and Miles Miller) and there are similarities in how they handled in Peter/MJ and Clark/Lana.

Zendaya's MJ barely has a backstory. At least with Dunst we knew she was a struggling actor/dancer and that she had a troubled home life. I can see Zendaya's MJ having a troubled home life and maybe the 'Michelle' and 'MJ' thing was just a coping mechanism but I would rather see that on screen than extrapolate that as a head canon.

I'm also frustrated with how interchangeable MJ and Gwen have become. Especially with Spider-Man 3 and the Amazing Spider-Man movies. Maybe if the ASM movies didn't give Gwen Ultimate MJ's role of being Peter's confidant, we could have seen Zendaya's MJ take up that role. No offense, to Jacob Bataclan but I wish they had gone with one of Peter's canonical friends instead of not!Ganke for the MCU (either Randy Robertson or a retooled version of Hobie Brown or a retooled version of Kong).

[Tendrin]

I love Zenday's MJ and find her to be a very good reboot of the character in a modern context. She feels exactly, to me, like who MJ might be if she was made today for the first time.

[Kevinroc]

I love Zenday's MJ and find her to be a very good reboot of the character in a modern context. She feels exactly, to me, like who MJ might be if she was made today for the first time.

She lacks the push from Aunt May, which is something I think is quintessential to the character. Aunt May was originally portrayed as a senile old fool and that she pushed this strange party girl as "THE ONE" for Peter was just the biggest example of how senile and out of touch May was. But when MJ took on a more dramatic role in the narrative, May's character was portrayed with more dramatic weight as well. They boost each other up. And that relationship does not exist in the MCU. Instead MCU MJ is just a girl who follows Peter around school and wants him to notice her. (That's really more of a Gwen thing than an MJ thing.)

I just think the relationship is dull (but I think a lot of MCU romances are pretty dull. A lot of them are very sexless. MCU Peter x MJ is no exception. Which is definitely not the vibe I get from their comic counterparts.)

The problem is a lot of people are outright racist and scream about how MJ isn't a white redhead.

[TheCape]

The problem is a lot of people are outright racist and scream about how MJ isn't a white redhead.

Very true, i don't like Marvel's direction with her, but i would never support or engage in this kind of horrible behavior.

[NC_Yankee]

She lacks the push from Aunt May, which is something I think is quintessential to the character. Aunt May was originally portrayed as a senile old fool and that she pushed this strange party girl as "THE ONE" for Peter was just the biggest example of how senile and out of touch May was. But when MJ took on a more dramatic role in the narrative, May's character was portrayed with more dramatic weight as well. They boost each other up. And that relationship does not exist in the MCU. Instead MCU MJ is just a girl who follows Peter around school and wants him to notice her. (That's really more of a Gwen thing than an MJ thing.)

I just think the relationship is dull (but I think a lot of MCU romances are pretty dull. A lot of them are very sexless. MCU Peter x MJ is no exception. Which is definitely not the vibe I get from their comic counterparts.)

The problem is a lot of people are outright racist and scream about how MJ isn't a white redhead.

I resent being labeled racist because I want an accurate version of MJ. I pointed out several times that in my opinion the best non comic book/newspaper strip version of MJ was voiced by Zoe Kravitz ( a woman of color). I am also one of those who prefer MJ to Gwen, Felicia, Carlie, Betty or Mockingbird ( all of whom are white).

[Kevinroc]

I resent being labeled racist because I want an accurate version of MJ. I pointed out several times that in my opinion the best non comic book/newspaper strip version of MJ was voiced by Zoe Kravitz ( a woman of color). I am also one of those who prefer MJ to Gwen, Felicia, Carlie, Betty or Mockingbird ( all of whom are white).

I didn't say "everyone was racist."

[NC_Yankee]

I didn't say "everyone was racist."

I have no doubt there are a few jerks out there ( they come in all shapes, sizes and colors), but using “The race card” when it comes to complaints about MJ is extremely unfair. Most people first and foremost want quality then accuracy ( which is why I go back to the Zoe Kravitz MJ ( she brings both). A different example is Nick Fury. He was white until Samuel L. Jackson came along. I have not heard complaints about Jackson in that role. The same applies to Robert McCall ( The Equalizer). He was originally played by a white Englishman ( Edward Woodward), and that was was surpassed in excellence by Denzel Washington.

[Jman27]

She lacks the push from Aunt May, which is something I think is quintessential to the character. Aunt May was originally portrayed as a senile old fool and that she pushed this strange party girl as "THE ONE" for Peter was just the biggest example of how senile and out of touch May was. But when MJ took on a more dramatic role in the narrative, May's character was portrayed with more dramatic weight as well. They boost each other up. And that relationship does not exist in the MCU. Instead MCU MJ is just a girl who follows Peter around school and wants him to notice her. (That's really more of a Gwen thing than an MJ thing.)

I just think the relationship is dull (but I think a lot of MCU romances are pretty dull. A lot of them are very sexless. MCU Peter x MJ is no exception. Which is definitely not the vibe I get from their comic counterparts.)

The problem is a lot of people are outright racist and scream about how MJ isn't a white redhead.

you hear complaints more if the character thats being changed is a Major/ popular character. Like some characters in the new Eternals movie got changed but you didnt hear that many complaints. Did anyone complain about Liz Allen for example? Marvel/Sony should have stick by making Zendaya MJ from the very start but then again I was under the impression from Homecoming that the plan was is she MJ they just wanted her to be a surprised character at the end. For her not to take away that little focus that was being given to Liz's character

[Vortex85]

I love Zenday's MJ and find her to be a very good reboot of the character in a modern context. She feels exactly, to me, like who MJ might be if she was made today for the first time.

I don't, she has nothing in common with comic book MJ personality-wise. Maybe if we are talking the Ultimate version I could see that argument since she was a bit more nerdy, but not 616.

It's kind of ironic though that who Zendaya is in real life has much more in common with MJ than her character in the movies does.

[Lukmendes]

It's worse when they have Zendaya doing promos and stuff flaunting her red hair and clearly making casuals think she is Mary Jane. It sucks because when you see Zendaya on the red carpet and clips of her in other roles, she could have nailed the MJ role, if they let her.

Yeah the problem is definitely the script, she's written like a socially awkward girl who doesn't know how to make friends, and it shows, so there's just no room for MJ's charm there, at least in Homecoming.

I noticed that in FFH they kept calling her 'MJ' and never Michelle. Hey, maybe by the third movie they'll confirm that actual name of the character she is playing. ::facepalm::

Maybe they decided that Michelle is definitely MJ now.

I would laugh if they decided to say her last name is Gonzales .

I'm also frustrated with how interchangeable MJ and Gwen have become. Especially with Spider-Man 3 and the Amazing Spider-Man movies. Maybe if the ASM movies didn't give Gwen Ultimate MJ's role of being Peter's confidant, we could have seen Zendaya's MJ take up that role. No offense, to Jacob Bataclan but I wish they had gone with one of Peter's canonical friends instead of not!Ganke for the MCU (either Randy Robertson or a retooled version of Hobie Brown or a retooled version of Kong).

Yeah it's annoying when one character gets another's traits, it cheapens out both of them, since in this case, it removes the traits that made MJ a good love interest, and removes stuff from Gwen that could be used to develop her instead of making her "Scientist MJ" lol.

Guess that's the problem with Gwen being iconic for the wrong reasons, since fans like to talk like she was the love interest, and while in-universe she's treated as such, her character was really, really boring and definitely got martyrized.

The problem is a lot of people are outright racist and scream about how MJ isn't a white redhead.

While I find it to be pretty silly they didn't pick a redhead to play MJ, honestly, biggest problem with Michelle, at least in Homecoming, is how she's probably intentionally made to be MJ's opposite in some traits, 'cause while MJ is friendly with everyone, Michelle has no friends and is pretty rude, which makes me wonder why even say that's supposed to be MJ.

A different example is Nick Fury. He was white until Samuel L. Jackson came along. I have not heard complaints about Jackson in that role.

Fury became black in Ultimate and that version of him was pretty popular, and it's even because of Ultimate Fury that MCU had Samuel L. Jackson to play him to begin with.

Not to mention that Fury just isn't that high profile for overall audience to even know he got black washed, he was a B-lister at the very, very best lol.

you hear complaints more if the character thats being changed is a Major/ popular character. Like some characters in the new Eternals movie got changed but you didnt hear that many complaints. Did anyone complain about Liz Allen for example? Marvel/Sony should have stick by making Zendaya MJ from the very start but then again I was under the impression from Homecoming that the plan was is she MJ they just wanted her to be a surprised character at the end. For her not to take away that little focus that was being given to Liz's character

Liz also got her skin color changed in Spectacular cartoon, so any possible complaints about that had already happened, but I doubt too many people cared.