Namor vs Wonderman

[MichaelC]

Namor vs Wonderman

[Shellhead]

I'm not up to date on current power levels, but Wonder Man is traditionally considered to be the bare minimum Class 100 bruiser around here, while Namor ranges from Class 75 (dry) to Class 100 (wet). With the usual Khazan defaults, that leaves Namor at a disadvantage in this fight. The fairest possible fight between them took place in Avengers #155, with Wonder Man on the deck of a ship at sea. This is how that fight ended:

[Sharpandpointies]

I can see Namor getting beat down if he's dry, but hydrated? Hydrated, Namor has slugged it out with a very angry Hulk, hard enough to create tidal waves over a large area of coastline (KOing the Hulk but not Namor). Genuine, full-on Class 100, not bargain basement.

Simon's durability is pretty amazing, mind, even for a Class 100 (as I recall).

So this depends on conditions.

1. Standard fight: Simon should take this, Namor isn't strong enough.

2. Fight in the rain to keep Namor hydrated: It's going to be a long, drawn-out battle, unless Simon is hiding superspeed somewhere (I don't think so, but you never know). Possible win to Namor simply by being too strong and overpowering Simon despite his durability (again, barring Simon not having some kind of superspeed).

All that is based on my own memory of a couple of characters I was never really invested in knowing, so...I'm hoping others come in with something more current. ^_^ Also, mileage may vary.

[Phoenixx9]

I can see Namor getting beat down if he's dry, but hydrated? Hydrated, Namor has slugged it out with a very angry Hulk, hard enough to create tidal waves over a large area of coastline (KOing the Hulk but not Namor). Genuine, full-on Class 100, not bargain basement.

Simon's durability is pretty amazing, mind, even for a Class 100 (as I recall).

So this depends on conditions.

1. Standard fight: Simon should take this, Namor isn't strong enough.

2. Fight in the rain to keep Namor hydrated: It's going to be a long, drawn-out battle, unless Simon is hiding superspeed somewhere (I don't think so, but you never know). Possible win to Namor simply by being too strong and overpowering Simon despite his durability (again, barring Simon not having some kind of superspeed).

All that is based on my own memory of a couple of characters I was never really invested in knowing, so...I'm hoping others come in with something more current. ^_^ Also, mileage may vary.

In the above battle scene posted, this was Simon before his strength increased to 95 tons. Simon is now Cl 100 and even stronger.

Simon's durability was always at the top, about equal to the Hulk's if I remember correctly from the handbook details.

Simon does possess super-speed, and he has been seen running fast. He even outran and caught up to an NYC express train.

Simon also has fast reflexes as shown in the old Avengers books. For example, Simon moved fast enough to see and catch a falling Ant-Man (shrunk at the time) from hitting the ground (about a 7-10 foot fall).

[Sharpandpointies]

Good information, there, though I'd rather go by feats than Marvel tonnage guestimates. Those are notoriously inaccurate (and weird) compared to the stuff people do in the comics.

Simon have any feats beyond those for actual combat super-speed?

[Shellhead]

Good information, there, though I'd rather go by feats than Marvel tonnage guestimates. Those are notoriously inaccurate (and weird) compared to the stuff people do in the comics.

Simon have any feats beyond those for actual combat super-speed?

Not super-speed but quick for a brick speed:

[Phoenixx9]

Good information, there, though I'd rather go by feats than Marvel tonnage guestimates. Those are notoriously inaccurate (and weird) compared to the stuff people do in the comics.

Simon have any feats beyond those for actual combat super-speed?

I believe Simon ran super-fast when fighting and beating The Thing.