For what it's worth, I enjoyed their last get-together from Captain America #697 (XD)
Cap wins this one. Kraven is no slouch but Cap is smarter and more skilled.
Brains over brawn.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. The reasons given above my post basically amount to "Kraven is physically stronger/tougher." Cap has beaten tons of guys who were physically stronger/tougher than him.
The Leader loses because he's hampered by his ego. A problem Cap doesn't have.
Given Kraven is highly skilled himself (being a guy who hits comic book pressure points on all kinds of people - Parker, Hank McCoy, Tigra), at least as fast as Cap if not faster (Peter's clone comments on just how fast Kraven is), stronger than Cap, and takes hits from a guy who is, conservatively, 5+ times stronger than Cap when that guy is absolutely enraged, I don’t see how Cap is winning this.
As an example, let’s say Peter Parker - absolutely enraged - hauls off and punches Cap in the face. What happens? I’m betting it’s a whole lot more than what happens with Kraven, who is strong and tough enough to eat the hit, spit a little blood, then grin.
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"...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik
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I think that Kraven's costume deserves its own origin story. Ballet slippers and leopard skin tights? A vest made to look like a lion's head with Kraven's head bursting out from the top? Energy blaster nipples made to look like lion eyes? Kraven must have OD'd on the jungle drugs the night he made his costume.
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Just addressing the point, not the person who posted it. Since banned, that would be rude.
But I think he's falling into the "It happened in a comic" mentality. Cap wins over Kraven in a comic because Cap is the hero and Kraven is the villain, not because it makes sense. Cap has beaten all sorts of people he should have no chance to beat just as many other CBPHs have done, because they are the hero of the story. But to apply that to Rumbles would be to just say the hero always beats the villain as a default result.
Power with Girl is better.
I think even pissed off, Peter holds back to some extent. But Kraven has always been able to keep up with Spider-Man to an extent. A man who has super strength, agility and precog. Cap should be nothing to him.
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
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