Trio fights: My Hero Academia/Black Clover/Demon Slayer/Jujutsu Kaisen

[Dark Soul # 7]

Just a concept that popped into my head as the work day is inching to its closure. Groups of three from the series My Hero Academia, Black Clover, Demon Slayer: Kimetsu No Yaiba and Jujutsu Kaisen in a big four way group brawl.

The teams

My Hero Academia: Izuku Midoriya, Katsuki Bakugo and Shoto Todoroki

Black Clover: Asta, Yuno Grinberryall and Noelle Silva

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba: Tanjiro Kamado, Zenitsu Agatsuma and Inosuke Hashibira

Jujutsu Kaisen: Yuji Itadori, Megumi Fushiguro and Nobara Kugisaki

- The fights take place in... you know what, let's bust up my home town for once, the fights take place in a deserted Stockholm.
- No demon Tanjiro.
- No busting out Sukuna for Itadori.

Which group wins?

[big_adventure]

Gonna come down to speed, methinks.

I really only know MHA, with a couple of Black Clovers sprinkled on as seasoning - 1 and 2 to be precise.

Midoriya these days is somewhere between very high-end bullet timer and outright low-end speedster. Plus he can cover at least multiple city blocks with smoke nearly instantly, sort of fly, web-sling, has discount spider sense, has... sort of webbing, and still hits stupidly hard. Oh, and he is a brilliant tactician for a pre-teen - a city-wide free-for-all is exactly the sort of place his intellect works wonders. And, of course, we've also included two other good tacticians in Todoroki and Bakugo. To deal with even without the relative prep here, somebody needs to be able to : no-sell 100% OFA, be a decent amount faster than he is using OFA amped with Fa Jin or have some kind of interdiction that stops him from hitting them to deal with him in a Rumbles, bloodlusted situation. You have to deal with that even before you get to Shoto and Kacchan.

[Nik Hasta]

I don't know how the Black Clover speed breakdown fits together offhand so pinch of salt here, but I'm reasonably certain that endgame Zenitsu and Tanjiro might be the fastest people on the field.

Tanjiro, at his peak with full Fire God Breathing Continuous-Technique-Linking-Death-Dance mode is definitely some form of actual speedster because he's significantly faster than dudes who themselves are high end bullet timers and above. Zenitsu never is directly compared to him but he invented a whole new form of Thunder Breathing [which is the goes-fast powerset] and was, even on his last legs, still able to get hits on Muzan who was faster than Tanjiro.

Given their raw cutting ability (being able to cleave a minivan-sized boulder in half is the baseline to even start to become a Demon Slayer) and speed, they could do some serious damage to key people here.

Deku might be able to match them with faux 100% but that requires setup which he might not get.

Also, Domain Expansion is not to be underestimated. Fushigoro could really mess with the other team's days by just trapping them in his Party Mode pain dimension.

[big_adventure]

Yeah, that sounds like it could be a bridge too far for Deku, and certainly for the other two. I would say, given that this is a city, he probably gets as much build up for Fa Jin as he needs, which might just maybe be close to enough for one of them, but two of them? Even if he's juuuust fast enough to deal with one, two is likely to be too much, and if you think they hit hard enough to end Deku, I'll take your word for it.

As admitted at the beginning, I don't know enough about the others to properly debate them.

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah, that sounds like it could be a bridge too far for Deku, and certainly for the other two. I would say, given that this is a city, he probably gets as much build up for Fa Jin as he needs, which might just maybe be close to enough for one of them, but two of them? Even if he's juuuust fast enough to deal with one, two is likely to be too much, and if you think they hit hard enough to end Deku, I'll take your word for it.

As admitted at the beginning, I don't know enough about the others to properly debate them.

Demon Slayers have to cut through superdurable demon bodies as a matter of course. The better you are at using Breathing Techniques, the better you can cut.

That said I don't know exactly how durable Deku is or how he handles blades.

Looking at the other teams, Yuno is also a problem given his quite spectacular range game and flight. He takes to the air, kicks off Mana Zone and then just starts blasting the hell out of the area. The Demon Slayers can't pursue him in the air, neither can the Sorcerers outside of Fushigoro using his bird shikigami and that's not a good match up.

It's kind of hard to say who will win here, a lot of moving parts.

[Nik Hasta]

Dark Soul, would you mind clarifying how far away the groups start from each other?

That will really influence how things go to my mind.

[big_adventure]

Dark Soul, would you mind clarifying how far away the groups start from each other?

That will really influence how things go to my mind.

I second this. If it is km's apart, that allows planning and micro-prep, and mitigates the outright blitz.

[big_adventure]

That said I don't know exactly how durable Deku is or how he handles blades.

As far as durability, dude's stupidly durable, taking a shot from Lady Nagant recently and doing all of saying "aaaaagh". He's been smashed through concrete and walls and buildings. He's also hitting OFA at 45% with no risk and no workup, and 100% with either a time limit and risk or a bit of Fa Jin, and OFA 100% is All Might. I don't see any particular reason to presume compartmentalized durability for the guy.

[Nik Hasta]

As far as durability, dude's stupidly durable, taking a shot from Lady Nagant recently and doing all of saying "aaaaagh". He's been smashed through concrete and walls and buildings. He's also hitting OFA at 45% with no risk and no workup, and 100% with either a time limit and risk or a bit of Fa Jin, and OFA 100% is All Might. I don't see any particular reason to presume compartmentalized durability for the guy.

Well, Tanjiro and the boys start with cutting through a minivan's worth of solid stone and only get significantly more skilled in their cutting ability from there.

Like, Tanjiro cuts through big rock. Then learns Water Breathing to cut better. Demonstrates his better cutting on a superhumanly durable demon who specifically amps his defence ot the point where other Demon Slayer candidates, who would have similar abilities as base Tanjiro, can't cut him. Tanjiro cuts him down.

Tanjiro encounters Rui, who is a significantly powerful Demon (ranked Lower Moon Five) who uses threads to fight and Tanjiro literally breaks his sword trying to cut through the threads. Using the broken blade, he focuses all his Breathing on cutting power and manages to then cut them with the broken blade. Rui responds by amping his threads to make them even stronger through his demon art, Tanjiro rallies and accesses his ancestral Fire Dance Breathing technique and becomes able to cut the now enhanced threads.

Rui then encounters Giyuu, a Hashira [top dog Demon Slayer], and Giyuu cuts through Rui's strongest techniques with ease and beheads him with minimal effort. Tanjiro in turn, by the end of the series, reaches a level of skill not only on par with Giyuu but actually surpasses him with his final technique.

So, I don't know if that level of skillful cutting could hurt Deku but it's quite a high level of damage for him to get hit by. And Tanjiro is more than skilled enough to like, aim for his eyes or something.

[big_adventure]

Well, Tanjiro and the boys start with cutting through a minivan's worth of solid stone and only get significantly more skilled in their cutting ability from there.

Like, Tanjiro cuts through big rock. Then learns Water Breathing to cut better. Demonstrates his better cutting on a superhumanly durable demon who specifically amps his defence ot the point where other Demon Slayer candidates, who would have similar abilities as base Tanjiro, can't cut him. Tanjiro cuts him down.

Tanjiro encounters Rui, who is a significantly powerful Demon (ranked Lower Moon Five) who uses threads to fight and Tanjiro literally breaks his sword trying to cut through the threads. Using the broken blade, he focuses all his Breathing on cutting power and manages to then cut them with the broken blade. Rui responds by amping his threads to make them even stronger through his demon art, Tanjiro rallies and accesses his ancestral Fire Dance Breathing technique and becomes able to cut the now enhanced threads.

Rui then encounters Giyuu, a Hashira [top dog Demon Slayer], and Giyuu cuts through Rui's strongest techniques with ease and beheads him with minimal effort. Tanjiro in turn, by the end of the series, reaches a level of skill not only on par with Giyuu but actually surpasses him with his final technique.

So, I don't know if that level of skillful cutting could hurt Deku but it's quite a high level of damage for him to get hit by. And Tanjiro is more than skilled enough to like, aim for his eyes or something.

Yeah, I get that, that's pretty much why I figure it might be a too much for Deku to deal with at this time, especially if they have even a small speed edge. OTOH, if he takes the air and starts using his ranged game, can they do much about it? How is their toughness? And of course there are other people in this fight who seem to have some pretty esoterics to deal with.

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah, I get that, that's pretty much why I figure it might be a too much for Deku to deal with at this time, especially if they have even a small speed edge. OTOH, if he takes the air and starts using his ranged game, can they do much about it? How is their toughness? And of course there are other people in this fight who seem to have some pretty esoterics to deal with.

They are grounded, albeit they have big hops and the like.

In terms of toughness, while they are well beyond normal humans, they are definitely the most fragile team. In the context of this match they are high speed, glass cannons.

Comparatively you have Fushigoro taking hits like this and being, for the most part, fine:



And Itadori outclasses him in physical terms in every respect.

And meanwhile in Black Clover, you have stuff like Yuno and Asta being blasted from the cloud level, through a floating castle, into the ground as it boils into a small lake of lava and they are both in one piece after that.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Dark Soul, would you mind clarifying how far away the groups start from each other?

That will really influence how things go to my mind.

Certainly.

Ok, I want this to be as fair as possible and it would be cool for the fighters to actually use the city terrain instead of just messing up one neighbourhood block as one team blitzes everybody else. It might also give way to some sneaky victories or other options. Hm...

Let's say all teams start around 1 kilometre a part from each other and they're on the roof tops of different buildings. They all know at what point the other teams start and have to work their way from there.

Does that work?

[big_adventure]

They are grounded, albeit they have big hops and the like.

In terms of toughness, while they are well beyond normal humans, they are definitely the most fragile team. In the context of this match they are high speed, glass cannons.

That doesn't bode well for them against MHA unless they are a fair bit faster than Deku, he can just use ranged airblasts against them and smash them through buildings.

Comparatively you have Fushigoro taking hits like this and being, for the most part, fine:



And Itadori outclasses him in physical terms in every respect.

That's pretty solid, though I doubt it handles OFA at 45%, much less 100% whether real or faux. What is the speed like for these guys?

And meanwhile in Black Clover, you have stuff like Yuno and Asta being blasted from the cloud level, through a floating castle, into the ground as it boils into a small lake of lava and they are both in one piece after that.

That's pretty meaty as you describe it - significantly better than what happens in the Jujutsu Kaisen video above. What condition are they in after, and how much of that is "Black Clover blocks stop anything?" Which is still a totally valid feat, given that they will be able to use that same stuff here.

In any case, for most of these guys, I'd say (based on your points) that they can probably mostly hurt one another at some level. Speed, mobility and/or ranged game are going to be telling.

[Nik Hasta]

Certainly.

Ok, I want this to be as fair as possible and it would be cool for the fighters to actually use the city terrain instead of just messing up one neighbourhood block as one team blitzes everybody else. It might also give way to some sneaky victories or other options. Hm...

Let's say all teams start around 1 kilometre a part from each other and they're on the roof tops of different buildings. They all know at what point the other teams start and have to work their way from there.

Does that work?

That's grand.

So, that means the Demon Slayers are really going to have a hard time. Multiple of their opponents have either flight or much greater mobility options and superior firepower. In the arena, they could probably take this on sheer cutting power and speed but with the terrain and distance in play, they aren't going to get a chance.

Deku and co can probably go for more strategic killbox stuff with their firepower but they don't have the level of air supremacy of the Black Clover team.

Erm... struggling to see a reason why Yuno can't just take to the skies and rain down a set of horrendous tornado beams of doom on everyone for the win.

Jujutsu High team have a rough time. They are, comparatively, a bit too low in all stats, mostly close to medium range and their gimmicks are fairly specialised rather than just being "blow stuff up".

[Dark Soul # 7]

Yeah, Yuno does become the biggest problem with the new starting point.

He can lay down suppressive fire while Asta goes in for close combat and Noelle backs him up.

If he can be sneaky about it Fushiguro might be able to up to Yuno and bring the fight to him with Nue.