Captain America vs Kraven the Hunter

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

So... he just shoots Heroin dust at people?

[big_adventure]

So... he just shoots Heroin dust at people?

Yes, yes he does. The 80's were a weird time.

[Beadle]

Yes, yes he does. The 80's were a weird time.

You mean you don’t have a vest that shoots heroin from lion eyes…?

[Nik Hasta]

Yes, yes he does. The 80's were a weird time.

It was the 60s actually

[Beadle]

It was the 60s actually

I think big was referring to the technical breakdown of the ‘vest’, which would have come from OHOTMU in the 80s.

[Nik Hasta]

I think big was referring to the technical breakdown of the ‘vest’, which would have come from OHOTMU in the 80s.

Ah, I figured he meant the vest itself which has been a part of Kraven's loadout since his introduction.

[big_adventure]

You mean you don’t have a vest that shoots heroin from lion eyes…?

I'm pretty sure they stole my design for this.

I think big was referring to the technical breakdown of the ‘vest’, which would have come from OHOTMU in the 80s.

This is exactly correct. Ah, the Handbook - that thing that tried to make technical explanations for imaginary superhero hardware.

Ah, I figured he meant the vest itself which has been a part of Kraven's loadout since his introduction.

Yeah, the vest pretty much IS Kraven.

[Shellhead]

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[Powerboy]

I'm pretty sure they stole my design for this.



This is exactly correct. Ah, the Handbook - that thing that tried to make technical explanations for imaginary superhero hardware.



Yeah, the vest pretty much IS Kraven.

Ah, yes, and which convinced people that DC super strength characters would all destroy Marvel super strength characters because Marvel bricks all max out at little more than lifting 100 tons despite lifting magnitudes more than that in the stories.

[big_adventure]

Ah, yes, and which convinced people that DC super strength characters would all destroy Marvel super strength characters because Marvel bricks all max out at little more than lifting 100 tons despite lifting magnitudes more than that in the stories.

Even better: Thor, IIRC, didn't even get "class 100", instead getting 95 tons as his max. Not only did the 80's have him Worf once to freaking Yellowjacket, but he Worfed to the Handbook as well.

[Alan2099]

Ah, yes, and which convinced people that DC super strength characters would all destroy Marvel super strength characters because Marvel bricks all max out at little more than lifting 100 tons despite lifting magnitudes more than that in the stories.

I'm reminded of the "Superman doesn't have super strength and invulnerability, he actually has a form of telekinesis and a force field," explination.

[Powerboy]

Even better: Thor, IIRC, didn't even get "class 100", instead getting 95 tons as his max. Not only did the 80's have him Worf once to freaking Yellowjacket, but he Worfed to the Handbook as well.

I may not be remembering correctly but I think what they were saying was that, at the very beginning of Marvel, Thor was 95 tons and soon rose to Class 100+, the Hulk was ten tons but more with anger, Ben Grimm was 5 tons and Spider-Man must have been about one ton. I think they were saying that Thor was magnitudes beyond any mortal super-powered being at the start.

Then again, it's so ridiculous. I just read some early Thor stories. Mister Hyde repeatedly is said to have the strength of twelve men. Proceeds to lift a city bus over his head.

[Powerboy]

I'm reminded of the "Superman doesn't have super strength and invulnerability, he actually has a form of telekinesis and a force field," explination.

I actually thought that was cool at the time. Now, I realize it's just "selective realism" to give the illusion that any of it is believable. Telekinesis, of course, being just a pseudo-science explanation worse than not explaining it at all. Granted, it's a valid tradition since Jerry Siegal did that in the very first Superman story. But they might as well have stuck with his explanation.

[big_adventure]

I may not be remembering correctly but I think what they were saying was that, at the very beginning of Marvel, Thor was 95 tons and soon rose to Class 100+, the Hulk was ten tons but more with anger, Ben Grimm was 5 tons and Spider-Man must have been about one ton. I think they were saying that Thor was magnitudes beyond any mortal super-powered being at the start.

Then again, it's so ridiculous. I just read some early Thor stories. Mister Hyde repeatedly is said to have the strength of twelve men. Proceeds to lift a city bus over his head.

Eh, they didn't create the concept of "class 100" until they made the first Handbook, IIRC. Thor's very early "feats" included fighting off galaxy-busters and stuff.

And yeah, comic writers are really bad with speeds and weights. Who can forget the Flash moving at "almost lightspeed" when he empties a city of a half million people as a nuclear bomb is exploding. Uh huh, lightspeed, huh?

[Beadle]

I may not be remembering correctly but I think what they were saying was that, at the very beginning of Marvel, Thor was 95 tons and soon rose to Class 100+, the Hulk was ten tons but more with anger, Ben Grimm was 5 tons and Spider-Man must have been about one ton. I think they were saying that Thor was magnitudes beyond any mortal super-powered being at the start.

Then again, it's so ridiculous. I just read some early Thor stories. Mister Hyde repeatedly is said to have the strength of twelve men. Proceeds to lift a city bus over his head.

I love the odd specificity of the twelve men. I mean it’s ridiculously inaccurate (he’s about Class 50), but it’s so oddly specific as to be charming.