I really would like to see other rogues besides Joker get attention

[Pohzee]

I'll go you one further and say Fear State wasn't even a good STORY. Period. Just a random mashing of action figures with a vague anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist hand wave. And Joker War was even worse!

I LOVED Tynion's Detective Comics run but other than Ghost-Maker (who is fun but I could live without) this whole run was a dull, vapid, shallow pile of nothing that felt constantly on repeat.

Fortunately, Something Is Killing The Children is still awesome proving this was just a dud run for him (possibly due to editorial interference/incompetence).

Tynion I think has been pretty transparent that he was frustrated by editorials refusal to allow him to explore certain directions with established characters, so he had to adjust his plans to create new ones to allow for more creative freedom. I think its safe to say he was pretty hamstrung by editorial.

[marhawkman]

I wanna see an arc with Riddler as the good guy and Batman as the bad guy.

[exile001]

Just a preference and they really need to utilize him more.

I completely agree, he's a fantastic and versatile character. I LOVE Iceberg Lounge Penguin and it was something he very much needed* but sadly he feels like he's been stuck in a loop since the late 90's.

*the guy starred as the main villain in a Batman movie in 1992 and still wasn't featured through the whole Knightfall/Quest/End saga, save for a single issue of Showcase which spent the entire story showing him as useless and a relic of the past.

[Frontier]

I completely agree, he's a fantastic and versatile character. I LOVE Iceberg Lounge Penguin and it was something he very much needed* but sadly he feels like he's been stuck in a loop since the late 90's.

*the guy starred as the main villain in a Batman movie in 1992 and still wasn't featured through the whole Knightfall/Quest/End saga, save for a single issue of Showcase which spent the entire story showing him as useless and a relic of the past.

Yeah, I do feel like it's time they did something with Penguin. Like have him make a big power play for Gotham after biding his time for so long.

[Spencermalley935]

Yeah, I do feel like it's time they did something with Penguin. Like have him make a big power play for Gotham after biding his time for so long.

Not gonna lie, that sounds like a great idea. I feel the Iceberg Lounge has basically cast the Penguin as a perpetual bystander rather than an active player in Batman's world. There's so much more you can do with the character than just have him be "glorified casino owner" and it annoys me to no end when fans downplay him in favor of overrated villains like Hush or Black Mask.

[TheRay]

I'd definitely like to see Abattoir get as much attention as say Professor Pyg.

[Mistah K88]

Not gonna lie, that sounds like a great idea. I feel the Iceberg Lounge has basically cast the Penguin as a perpetual bystander rather than an active player in Batman's world. There's so much more you can do with the character than just have him be "glorified casino owner" and it annoys me to no end when fans downplay him in favor of overrated villains like Hush or Black Mask.

Agreed... I feel that most writers don't know what do do with Penguin due to him not looking scary or monstrous enough (hell that's why Returns altered him so much), but the thing is they don't seem to get that THAT'S THE POINT of the character. He doesn't look like a threat but will get by on trickery, eloquence, and craftiness. Cobblepott isn't the name of some mob brute who gets by off of physical force. The Iceberg Lounge was a blessing and a curse.

Also, I feel that Joker causes too much harm to the Bat family specifically... sometimes when it comes to a member of the bat family getting injured or killed it's like "can someone else get a turn"?

[marhawkman]

Agreed... I feel that most writers don't know what do do with Penguin due to him not looking scary or monstrous enough (hell that's why Returns altered him so much), but the thing is they don't seem to get that THAT'S THE POINT of the character. He doesn't look like a threat but will get by on trickery, eloquence, and craftiness. Cobblepott isn't the name of some mob brute who gets by off of physical force. The Iceberg Lounge was a blessing and a curse.

I like Penguin as a character who makes a show of being legit.... he's not truly an honest businessman, and anyone who knows him knows it, but he really makes an effort of trying to act legit. Penguin has mooks in his employ, but... doesn't use them very aggressively. this is why he has such a large business operation. The cops and Batman don't see him as a major threat. Thus Penguin manages to build up a rather large base of operations. Sure he's more crime boss than super-villain, but he's not really a major crime boss, at least on the surface. But how much of his business is actually legit? hehehe.... well... that's where the story comes in.

[TheRay]

I think Hush has been getting a good amount of attention.

[kurenai24]

Wouldn't we all, too bad most of the few female villains that Batman has are becoming antiheroes...

[TheRay]

I actually would enjoy seeing more of Flashpoint Joker.

[Forlorn]

I’d definitely like to see some of the lower level Bat Villians get more time, and seeing how DC works nowadays, I’d even pitch a series focused on lesser used villians.

Some people I’d like to see more of are White Rabbit, Zsaz (spelling on that?), Deadshot, Ventriloquist (any of the versions), Jane Doe, Ivy as an ACTUAL villain, and give me more Penguin, as has already been said.

[JBatmanFan05]

Yeah, I do feel like it's time they did something with Penguin. Like have him make a big power play for Gotham after biding his time for so long.

Yeah, I too think Penguin is due for somewhat higher stakes story. But you need the right writer with the right idea (some plot that's not too familiar) to pull it off. It'd probably help Penguin if the writer could be a bigger name writer.

It does feel like the early Post-Crisis writers (Alan Grant, etc) were the last writers to treat Penguin a bit more seriously as a main foe with non-lounge goals.

THOUGH Batman: Detective Comics Vol. 3: Emperor Penguin is I'm sure a story we're all (perhaps intentionally) overlooking in this regard (or some might say it was too long ago), though I did not read it. Right from Amazon's description: "Oswald Cobblepot has a plan. No longer content with merely being the crime lord the Penguin, he yearns for the love of Gotham City."

[Nero]

The bottom line is the Joker is overexposed.

Batman is supposed to have arguably the best rogues gallery but that gets undermined when one villain constantly gets the stoplight. Granted the Joker is the most popular Batman villain but he's not the only popular Batman villain. Take Mr. Freeze for an example, he's a popular Batman villain but he hardly gets any attention by comparison. If anything, the goal should be to help elevate other Batman villains to the level of the Joker.

[TheRay]

I thought every Whisper story was quality, so if they wrote another one with her I think that would be a great idea.