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    Quote Originally Posted by Saithor View Post
    I thought their issue would be the amount of manipulation that her, Charles and Erik have done to absolutely everyone to make this work without actually telling anyone, but it also seems that they aren’t happy with the idea that everything could just get reset if Moira drinks too much soda and accidentally clogs her own arteries. Or falls down some stairs.
    well,...because Mystique is always very honest and open about her secret plans...shouldn't they appreciate what they have done for mutants? Maybe their methods are questionable but at least the succeeded in creating some kind of mutant heaven.

    Emma's reaction feels very weird to me...and blown out of proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Writerblog View Post
    Death had a crisis of faith, green door and krakoa were never mentioned. Without dead a universe becomes a cancerverse and nobody wants that
    The Death of Death itself stated "A green door swing open, and death is irrelevant. A pod grows new life, and death is without meaning. So many have returned from death. More and more. Even you. So death grows weaker, sicker"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    Did you read HoX/PoX? Because it gives the whoooole backstory as to how and why the resurrection protocols came to be.
    Yeah, I read them. And again, WHAT RIGHT do they have to decide their kind deserve to be resurrected, but not the humans that mutants have killed? Do you remember the humans Magneto killed on a submarine many years ago? And all the humans who were killed "just because" of mutants, and some of its survivors joined Red Skull's S-Men for revenge?

    Mutants won't be able to keep the secret of their resurrections protocols for much longer. They will be discovered, and when that happen, almost all humanity will be turn against them. There are a lot of innocent humans who were injustically murdered my Mutants, and they are still dead. Do you think the relatives of those dead humans will say nothing when they know the Mutants who killed them can live forever withou paying the price for their crimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursalink View Post
    Yeah, I read them. And again, WHAT RIGHT do they have to decide their kind deserve to be resurrected, but not the humans that mutants have killed? Do you remember the humans Magneto killed on a submarine many years ago? And all the humans who were killed "just because" of mutants, and some of its survivors joined Red Skull's S-Men for revenge?

    Mutants won't be able to keep the secret of their resurrections protocols for much longer. They will be discovered, and when that happen, almost all humanity will be turn against them. There are a lot of innocent humans who were injustically murdered my Mutants, and they are still dead. Do you think the relatives of those dead humans will say nothing when they know the Mutants who killed them can live forever withou paying the price for their crimes?
    How do you know that won't come later down the road? Maybe when humanity does find out it will lead to a discussion of resurrecting humans. Which personally I think would be a pandora's box because if they were to resurrect humans killed by mutants, other people will demand that their human loved ones be resurrected too. Car accidents, terminal cancers, heart attacks. When would it end?
    But as of right now Cerebro only catalogues mutants so that's where we are.
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    Random thought came to my and wild theory I just came up with as I’m catching up on Inferno…. What if Moira X is not our Moira and it’s an elaborate manipulation by the returning after Inferno finale… Cassandra Nova? The way they show Emma, and Moria show Xavier Moiras lives, … what real proof is there of any of this beside a psychic download?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursalink View Post
    Yeah, I read them. And again, WHAT RIGHT do they have to decide their kind deserve to be resurrected, but not the humans that mutants have killed? Do you remember the humans Magneto killed on a submarine many years ago? And all the humans who were killed "just because" of mutants, and some of its survivors joined Red Skull's S-Men for revenge?

    Mutants won't be able to keep the secret of their resurrections protocols for much longer. They will be discovered, and when that happen, almost all humanity will be turn against them. There are a lot of innocent humans who were injustically murdered my Mutants, and they are still dead. Do you think the relatives of those dead humans will say nothing when they know the Mutants who killed them can live forever withou paying the price for their crimes?
    Who cares? You acting like mutants who left have some desire to return to their old lives. They don't. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgred37 View Post
    Random thought came to my and wild theory I just came up with as I’m catching up on Inferno…. What if Moira X is not our Moira and it’s an elaborate manipulation by the returning after Inferno finale… Cassandra Nova? The way they show Emma, and Moria show Xavier Moiras lives, … what real proof is there of any of this beside a psychic download?
    None.
    Moira's claim of how her powers work means that no proof beyond her memories can ever exist, because the moment physical proof of her past lifes still existing in the multiverse appears, everything about her powers need to put into question.

    The whole "reboot the universe" upon death is not only suspiciously convinient but also quite an insane claim to make even by Marvel universe standard.
    With a universe so prone of retcons and fake retcons, clones, fake clones, fake memories, time travel, multiversal travel, etc. why should not only the reader but also anyone in universe so readily belief it to be true?

    Also it should be noted that human memories are notoriously fickle, which is why eye witness accounts are always a double edged sword are "evidence" both in crime instigation and recording of history (plus in life 9, she got some sort of memory crystal jammed into her chest before hear death, so there is another layer of possible manipulation), so the fact that Moira X can only provide "memories" of her past lifes is equaly questionable.

    Moira X might easily turn out to be fake and all past lifes some machination or equaly fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursalink View Post
    Yeah, I read them. And again, WHAT RIGHT do they have to decide their kind deserve to be resurrected, but not the humans that mutants have killed? Do you remember the humans Magneto killed on a submarine many years ago? And all the humans who were killed "just because" of mutants, and some of its survivors joined Red Skull's S-Men for revenge?

    Mutants won't be able to keep the secret of their resurrections protocols for much longer. They will be discovered, and when that happen, almost all humanity will be turn against them. There are a lot of innocent humans who were injustically murdered my Mutants, and they are still dead. Do you think the relatives of those dead humans will say nothing when they know the Mutants who killed them can live forever withou paying the price for their crimes?
    Seems like the solution to your problem is punish the specific mutants that have committed crimes against humanity or killed humans. I’m still not seeing how resurrecting mutants that have nothing to do with Magneto or his crimes is a bad thing. Unless you’re saying that all mutants should pay for the crimes of the individuals who committed horrible acts? In that case I don’t see why humans shouldn’t also pay for the crimes of the individuals who committed horrible acts against mutants. Can’t have it both ways bud.

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    Mutants didn't decide humans don't have the right to resurrection, they just don't have the means to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saithor View Post
    The Death of Death itself stated "A green door swing open, and death is irrelevant. A pod grows new life, and death is without meaning. So many have returned from death. More and more. Even you. So death grows weaker, sicker"

    Valkyrie: Jane Foster, Issue #7
    Green Door was used for like 10 people, hardly anything memorable in a universe with hundreds of billions living being. X-men uses eggs, not pods. it could be referring to Kree, that really grow life on pods (that is how Carol's sister was conceived).
    These are more existencial questions then really any meaningful overcoming dead

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    Just wanted to repeat how much I've ADORED the first three issues so far. Truely cannot wait for number 4 to come out.

    It made so much sense to set Douglas up in this new powerful position. I wished they would also bring Black Tom into the mix of this new shadow government with Douglas, Krakoa, and Warlock.

    Hickman redeemed Destiny and Mystique in a way that gives me too much joy for my own good. I think he brought both characters back to their essence. They are two violent mutant terrorists lost in Destiny's visions of potentials futures. And just adorable together.
    The X-Men finally have their true power couple!

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