Superman Complaint Thread

[Vordan]

The Wonder Woman forum made a place for WW fans to vent about her inconsistent power levels so I figured this forum could use something similar. If you want to vent about the never ending agony that comes with being a Superman fan, this one is for you. This is a thread for all your doomposting about Superman, just bump this whenever something occurs to make you feel negatively about Superman’s treatment or future. Hopefully this can keep the negativity contained to one thread rather than multiple ones.



Since I’m the OP I guess I’ll start, I have completely given up all hope of ever getting a good Superman film until the character goes into the public domain. WB are utterly incompetent in how they handle him on the film side and I don’t expect that to change, I think the Coates reboot is going to be ass given how little I cared for his BP and Cap runs.

[superduperman]

I have a feeling I'm going to be spending a lot of time here.

[Robanker]

He's never going to get revitalized as an IP so long as DC/WB keep looking at parts of him to shave off to bolster other IP. Delivering a watered down product and bemoaning it's not popular anymore is a pretty stupid idea, but here we are.

[superduperman]

They need to pick an origin and stick with it. The last published one was the New 52 one in 2014 and it's not even canon anymore.

DC is run by Batman fans who just put up with the other characters. They have to deal with Superman. They have to deal with Wonder Woman. But I think if they could just do Batman, they probably would. He didn't give himself ten books a month. Along with most of the BL stuff.

The TV shows do a way better job with Superman than the comics do.

[Mistah K88]

I'm not one to whine about power levels (as I find the Dragonball esque "destroy the planet by blinking" to be extremely dumb). I will say that the Death of Superman (or evil Superman) in adaptations can give X-Men's Phoenix storyline a run for it's money on how many times we've seen it. Even Krypton exploding seems like a fresh and original take than seeing Superman die again (we don't even get to see the guy live long enough to have an impact before they rush to kill him)

[exile001]

DC is run by Batman fans who just put up with the other characters. They have to deal with Superman. They have to deal with Wonder Woman. But I think if they could just do Batman, they probably would. He didn't give himself ten books a month. Along with most of the BL stuff.

It is simply that Batman sells. DC is a business and it feels they're finally giving in to that, which is why there are so many Bat-books and little of anything else. The modern market kills innovation so we're getting less different things and more of the one thing that already sells. It's a problem across DC but it's not a "Batman is my favourite" thing. It's a "Batman is the audience's favourite" thing.

A frustrating part of this is that while we used to have Diamond to see comic sales and at least have a vague idea of what was selling, we don't even have that anymore and we've never had accurate digital sales let alone collections, tpbs, etc.

But as to Superman, read this forum. Everybody here wants something different. And it seems nobody knows what the mass audience wants from him.

[Vordan]

He's never going to get revitalized as an IP so long as DC/WB keep looking at parts of him to shave off to bolster other IP. Delivering a watered down product and bemoaning it's not popular anymore is a pretty stupid idea, but here we are.

The hatred creators seem to have for all the cool stuff, the Legion, the Fortress, and so forth, utterly baffles me. He’s not the goddamn Batman and no matter how much you de power him and take away the “silly” stuff, he’s still an alien who looks exactly like a human who can fly because the sun is the right color and wears blue and red tights to fight crime. He’ll never be “realistic” unless you go all the way back to the Golden Age power levels which most of the “realistic” stuff doesn’t do.

And yeah I know I’m being petty but I hate seeing other characters take his stuff. Especially the SS game using Metropolis as a setting that’s ours damnit

[Stanlos]

The hatred creators seem to have for all the cool stuff, the Legion, the Fortress, and so forth, utterly baffles me. He’s not the goddamn Batman and no matter how much you de power him and take away the “silly” stuff, he’s still an alien who looks exactly like a human who can fly because the sun is the right color and wears blue and red tights to fight crime. He’ll never be “realistic” unless you go all the way back to the Golden Age power levels which most of the “realistic” stuff doesn’t do.

And yeah I know I’m being petty but I hate seeing other characters take his stuff. Especially the SS game using Metropolis as a setting that’s ours damnit

People who want a lower powered, barely enhanced Man then go read the adventures of Seraph. He has only the strength of Samson

[Stanlos]

I don't think the problem is Superman. Looking at comics as an American art form, it becomes hard to ignore the bizarre changes in America's citizenry.

[Nomads1]

I have a feeling I'm going to be spending a lot of time here.

LOL. Definitely.
I'll let others vent a bit before posting anything. Don't wanna scare anyone.

Peace

[Robanker]

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/gra...dan-didio/amp/

The silver bullet to anyone thinking Didio ever cared about Superman as a character. Jesus Christ.

Thank whichever God is responsible for Morrison.

[Sacred Knight]

Speaking of Didio whose been in the comic-news recently due to the above article, I think Superman is in an even worse spot now and for the future than he ever was under that regime. Its that bleak to me. The only hope I can imagine for him is another lightning in a bottle idea from out of nowhere like Death of Superman. And those don't come often.

[DochaDocha]

I don't want to rain too much on the parade for the fans who are loving the current direction of Superman, but IMO the last 5 years or so was the most disappointing period of my Superman fan life. Too much emphasis on Jon, a couple of duds in the DCEU with no future projects in sight, over-reliance on the Death of Superman in other media, another CW TV show that has no interest to me after a show on Sy Fy that was Superman Minus Superman, Injustice festering like an infected wound, and the upcoming Suicide Squad game that looks cool but only features Superman as an NPC villain (or at least that's what it looks like so far). I guess getting no new TV shows, animated movies, or live-action movies would be worse, but I feel like right now it feels like Superman can only scatter a few singles but not score any runs. All I can rely on is my back-library of Superman material. I also suppose I'm green with envy when some other DC property seems to be getting something interesting.

[Vordan]

Speaking of Didio whose been in the comic-news recently due to the above article, I think Superman is in an even worse spot now and for the future than he ever was under that regime. Its that bleak to me. The only hope I can imagine for him is another lightning in a bottle idea from out of nowhere like Death of Superman. And those don't come often.

End of the day Didio’s incompetence is what got Johns to take reign and kill off New 52 Superman, so he’s still the bane of your existence lol. Overall I think comics wise he’s doing solid, but outside of comics shit is dire and likely will remain so. I have no hope for his success in film improving, all I’m pulling for now is a video game. You still have Waid to look forward to at least since he’s got a project coming and his tastes align with yours.

I don't want to rain too much on the parade for the fans who are loving the current direction of Superman, but IMO the last 5 years or so was the most disappointing period of my Superman fan life. Too much emphasis on Jon, a couple of duds in the DCEU with no future projects in sight, over-reliance on the Death of Superman in other media, another CW TV show that has no interest to me after a show on Sy Fy that was Superman Minus Superman, Injustice festering like an infected wound, and the upcoming Suicide Squad game that looks cool but only features Superman as an NPC villain (or at least that's what it looks like so far). I guess getting no new TV shows, animated movies, or live-action movies would be worse, but I feel like right now it feels like Superman can only scatter a few singles but not score any runs. All I can rely on is my back-library of Superman material. I also suppose I'm green with envy when some other DC property seems to be getting something interesting.

Damn that’s brutal man. As frustrated as I am with how ineptly he’s been handled, I actually am pretty happy overall with most of the current content featuring him. Just wish he had better luck outside of comics with major projects, and I want a video game.

Hmm, well if it's any consolation doesn't look like much Injustice content on the immediate horizon given it seems the focus is Gotham Knights, the Hot Topic squad game, and WW. Plus whatever that rumored game from WB Montreal.

Watch them announce it tomorrow, lol.

Apparently NRS decided to go straight to the next MK game rather than I3 because they weren’t sure if AT&T were going to sell them to MS. So we may be able to kick that can down the road until 2024 or whatever. Luckily WW has a game coming at least to counter her awful portrayal in the NRS games. Still nothing for Supes sadly and only hope now is WBM, who I’m a little nervous of. Not sure how Gotham Knights is going to be received.

[superduperman]

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/gra...dan-didio/amp/

The silver bullet to anyone thinking Didio ever cared about Superman as a character. Jesus Christ.

Thank whichever God is responsible for Morrison.

This is a guy who threw Dick and Wally, two very popular characters, under the bus because he thought they made their mentors look old. He was more than willing to leave money on the table if it meant he got to turn the main canon into his own personal fan fiction.