Mutant on mutant crime and self defense on Krakoa.

[Chris0013]

Empath was put on Hellions and even before that his fellow teammates told him if he keeps it up they are going to throw him off the island.

Bro seriously they were kids that just changed the memories of beak and the kids so they wouldn't grieve. What do you want from Krakoa to throw them into the pits xD be real.

That's what I mean by petty stuff.

I want criminals punished. Empath and the creepy kids committed violent, psychic assaults. They deserve some sort of punishment for it...not to be ignored.

[Outburstz]

I want criminals punished. Empath and the creepy kids committed violent, psychic assaults. They deserve some sort of punishment for it...not to be ignored.

Empath wasn't ignored, Shadow King isn't being ignored but those kids yeah no your doing to much they are fine. Armor talked to them

[Chris0013]

Empath wasn't ignored, Shadow King isn't being ignored but those kids yeah no your doing to much they are fine. Armor talked to them

As far as Empath...it should not be his old team mates telling him they will do something...it needs to come from the government of Krakoa that using your powers against someone in a willful or malicious manner or without the consent of the person you are using them on is a crime and you will be punished.

As far as Armor and the creepy twins....do you really think this is enough? "I know you psychically raped some people...but just don't do that again. It's wrong"

[Outburstz]

"I know you psychically raped some people...but just don't do that again. It's wrong"

yes because what they changed and did they did it for good reasons. still wrong but nothing to go crazy about

That is not the same as what you guys were saying earlier with the whole mass murder and rapist stuff

[Chris0013]

yes because what they changed and did they did it for good reasons. still wrong but nothing to go crazy about

That is not the same as what you guys were saying earlier with the whole mass murder and rapist stuff

I don't give a damn what their intentions were...they psychically assaulted them and altered their memories without consent. They need to be punished.

[Alan2099]

Yes because there doesn't need to be a police force when you can call your buddy that can shot fire from his hands.

So if someone attacks you it's not that hard if you are one of these weaker mutants to ask for an assist.

"Nobody would get shot anymore if everybody had a gun!"

I can imagine a lot of the more opportunistic or "small potatoes evil" types, like former Brotherhood members, Acolytes, MLF, etc. settling in and being willing to follow the rules in exchange for living on an island where all their needs are met and resurrection upon death is guaranteed, so that might be keeping people on their best behavior.

With a lot of those people they're best behavior is still being bullies, thugs, and thieves. It just seems to me that in a place like Krakoa where nobody is watching too closely, the little crimes are easier to get away with.

[Saithor]

So from what has been described, the most Krakoa has for this kind of thing is vigilante justice mixed with some good old mob mentality. Excellent. And your chance of getting personal justice is dependent on your ability to get favors with more powerful mutants.

I shouldn’t really be surprised that this would be the result of a country rules by a corrupt oligarchic authoritarian council, but I am.

[Outburstz]

Wow reading these comments it's clear you guys don't even understand why Krakoa is such a great thing in the first place for mutants. Xaviers dream is dead. Krakoa is the hope for mutants to be given a second chance after years of every man and woman for themselves. After years of being dogged by humans and infighting to finally be one. The lesson of each mutant working in teams and focusing on combining powers has been a constant theme. If they were going to be targeted or hunted they were going to handle it as one. As one look what we can accomplish as opposed to being separate.

If a bad mutant chooses to go against that then Krakoa mutants will deal with it.

[Saithor]

And this dream prevents the establishment of an official law enforcement system, justice system, less corrupt form of government, more representative form of government, and other pieces of infrastructure you usually see a nation establish how? Functional societies stopped relying on duels between individual citizens to settle grievances for a reason, and even past a certain century most duels were over social snubs and insults, not actual rape and murder that was handled by the courts. Krakoa’s justice system as you describe is vigilante justice plain and simple, and reads more like a libertarian fantasy of how preventing crime works. It is quite literally the “if everyone was armed no one would commit crimes argument”

[Outburstz]

And this dream prevents the establishment of an official law enforcement system, justice system, less corrupt form of government, more representative form of government, and other pieces of infrastructure you usually see a nation establish how? Functional societies stopped relying on duels between individual citizens to settle grievances for a reason, and even past a certain century most duels were over social snubs and insults, not actual rape and murder that was handled by the courts. Krakoa’s justice system as you describe is vigilante justice plain and simple, and reads more like a libertarian fantasy of how preventing crime works. It is quite literally the “if everyone was armed no one would commit crimes argument”

because it's not trying to just copy human nations. Like oh let's just make America but with mutants. Do some rules need to be looked at sure but clearly from these responses you guys are just looking for my hero academia or something

[Chris0013]

Wow reading these comments it's clear you guys don't even understand why Krakoa is such a great thing in the first place for mutants. Xaviers dream is dead. Krakoa is the hope for mutants to be given a second chance after years of every man and woman for themselves. After years of being dogged by humans and infighting to finally be one. The lesson of each mutant working in teams and focusing on combining powers has been a constant theme. If they were going to be targeted or hunted they were going to handle it as one. As one look what we can accomplish as opposed to being separate.

If a bad mutant chooses to go against that then Krakoa mutants will deal with it.

Yeah...sure glad there is not infighting....

Like can you imagine if someone like Shaw was to kill...oh...maybe...Kate in some sort of power grab. And when Kate does come back her and Emma getting some sort of payback?

Or what if Sinister was not so trustworthy and was going behind people's backs doing shady stuff that he should not be doing?

Or how about if Charles and Magneto were not so altruistic and were actually playing Mystique with the promise of returning Irene to life but had not actual intent to ever do so?
Imagine if they went so far as to tell Mystique that there sacred law of kill no human did not apply to when they tell her to kill humans?

And wasn't it wonderful that Mystique did not have to go behind everyone's backs to get Irene back and was able to have the QC vote Irene onto it on her merits and not because she made side deals with enough people to get her voted on?

Are you talking about hypothetical infighting like that that would NEVER happen in the mutant paradise of Krakoa?

This whole delusion that the are pushing about "mutants are better than humans" is a load of crap...mutants may have powers but are still driven by the same emotions as humans. They have the same desires, greed, vanity, anger, joy, sadness, etc...as humanity. And you would think that a guy like Magneto who survived the Nazis would find the concept of "we are superior/better than them" to be something completely abhorrent.

[Saithor]

Ah yes those mutants and their superiorly constructed nation of…a bog-standard oligarchy complete with a dominant voting block willing to appoint yes-man and bribes between the office holders. I don’t want America but I want more than the current status quo, which resembles a third-world country more than any actual paradise. The only thing it’s missing is the token leader position who actually just answers to said oligarchs

[Outburstz]

Yeah...sure glad there is not infighting....

Like can you imagine if someone like Shaw was to kill...oh...maybe...Kate in some sort of power grab. And when Kate does come back her and Emma getting some sort of payback?

Or what if Sinister was not so trustworthy and was going behind people's backs doing shady stuff that he should not be doing?

Or how about if Charles and Magneto were not so altruistic and were actually playing Mystique with the promise of returning Irene to life but had not actual intent to ever do so?
Imagine if they went so far as to tell Mystique that there sacred law of kill no human did not apply to when they tell her to kill humans?

And wasn't it wonderful that Mystique did not have to go behind everyone's backs to get Irene back and was able to have the QC vote Irene onto it on her merits and not because she made side deals with enough people to get her voted on?

Are you talking about hypothetical infighting like that that would NEVER happen in the mutant paradise of Krakoa?

This whole delusion that the are pushing about "mutants are better than humans" is a load of crap...mutants may have powers but are still driven by the same emotions as humans. They have the same desires, greed, vanity, anger, joy, sadness, etc...as humanity. And you would think that a guy like Magneto who survived the Nazis would find the concept of "we are superior/better than them" to be something completely abhorrent.

If there was no infighting it would be boring to read, but the in story reason is that most of the mutants (minus Sinister) believe that they can run Krakoa the best. Do you not see the difference between mutants fighting each other to save humans that hate them vs them fighting each other for the preservation of Krakoa?

Mutants are and have been told by human society that they are less than so them getting together and saying no look at how great we are together is nothing even close to nazis I mean how low IQ can you get

[Chris0013]

If there was no infighting it would be boring to read, but the in story reason is that most of the mutants (minus Sinister) believe that they can run Krakoa the best. Do you not see the difference between mutants fighting each other to save humans that hate them vs them fighting each other for the preservation of Krakoa?

Mutants are and have been told by human society that they are less than so them getting together and saying no look at how great we are together is nothing even close to nazis I mean how low IQ can you get

I did not say mutants coming together for the betterment of mutants smacks of Nazism...I said the attitude and rhetoric or superiority does.

[dkrook]

This is why there should have been a book dedicated to issues like this. Where does the instructional school run by Bishop come into play? If the Great Captains are there for the security of the island, why don't we have a narrative plotted to show when there are dangerous interactions between mutants lets get an idea if there's street justice.

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