Krakoa's importance expounded on and explained PERFECTLY.

[Synch340]

All of that is irrelevant, i already stated Krakoa wasn't perfect and absolutely doesnt need to be. Perfect doesnt produce interesting stories.

This thread is about Krakoa and by extension, Arrako and their importance to everyday mutants.


Anyways:






Would love a 'coming to Krakoa' type series that shows everyday mutants journeys.

That's exactly what I was hoping when they brought back X-Men Unlimited. They could tell stories of mutants making their minds up to live on Krakoa or those that want to stay where they live.

[gonnagiveittoya]

Applying realistic comparisons of mutants to real life oppressed groups has always had the massive flaw of "real opposed groups do t have people who randomly have the chance to kill everyone around them with a thought". So it's ways been a very flawed metaphor, and pointing that out is not bigotry.

[gonnagiveittoya]

This also applies to people who don't like the Wachowskis movies not being bigots because they're trans

[Stormultt Divine]

Applying realistic comparisons of mutants to real life oppressed groups has always had the massive flaw of "real opposed groups do t have people who randomly have the chance to kill everyone around them with a thought". So it's ways been a very flawed metaphor, and pointing that out is not bigotry.

I've seen and heard people try to say this mess and yes, you're wrong. You can most definitely and blatantly draw parallels to how mutants have been treated to real life minority issues. I mean district X is a glaring example and metaphor for a lot of inner cities in America, including the one i grew up in. If its not the same then why do so many people including myself relate and resonate so strongly with the material??

Like c'mon now.

Are there superheroes with powers in our world? No. CLEARLY. its not literally..
And if you go through the OP you'll see just exactly how people can relate to the plight of mutants.

Not every mutant has the power to put a dent into the Earth. Some mutants are everyday people with deformities or quirks and as shown in this thread they have trouble keeping jobs, going out in public, being harassed, etc etc. All while NEVER have been asked to be a mutant. This was something they were born with ....this is something A LOT of minority can relate to in our world.

And also if we want to play the, "oh well mutants can blow up cities!" Card then sure. So can Thor and a plethora of other heroes but mutants are the ones harassed, hunted and killed. They're the ones that were having vaccines thrown at them to STOP the birth of other mutants. Its BIGOTRY that the mutants have faced...No matter how you slice it and anybody whose a minority in real life can definitely relate.

We can agree to disagree though.

[Stormultt Divine]

Also i was just put in the mind of this story

[Slicknickshady]

Krakoa sucks.

[Stormultt Divine]

Appreciate everyones honesty though, not calling anyone in here a bigot, definitely entitled to how you feel.

I, however, do know who'd be at a friends of humanity rally or protest lmaooo. Cause wow.

[MaximoffTrash]

Applying realistic comparisons of mutants to real life oppressed groups has always had the massive flaw of "real opposed groups do t have people who randomly have the chance to kill everyone around them with a thought". So it's ways been a very flawed metaphor, and pointing that out is not bigotry.

Yeah, I think it worked better when it's more specific and per-case. (Also I think some people miss the point, it's the problem of making minority groups somehow fundamentally different and "other than human", which will can be negated if the focus is on the unpowered masses, which again contradict the nature of superhero comics.)

X-Men kinda dodged the problem since Marvel/DC can have a status quo without everything coming to a certain end. The world doesn't need to fundamentally change and everyone can just kinda "respawn".
The more self-contained stories requiring a clear ending invovling the use of "superpowered groups/mages" as certain social groups tend to run themselves into a hollow resolution of peace(we elected a none-Bender president! from Korra) or "everyone a Fash"(like in Attack on Titan where it probably unintentionally made the "the Jews controlled the world" conspiracy real.)

[Spiderfan001]

I, however, do know who'd be at a friends of humanity rally or protest lmaooo. Cause wow.

W/ how protests and rallies go in the 616 showing up to either is a death sentence

Applying realistic comparisons of mutants to real life oppressed groups has always had the massive flaw of "real opposed groups do t have people who randomly have the chance to kill everyone around them with a thought". So it's ways been a very flawed metaphor, and pointing that out is not bigotry.

This, so much this

[Frontier]

The X-Men have definitely managed to stay relevant and popular in no small part due to them being minority metaphors that people can relate too (or at least even for people who relate to being outsiders or "different" in some form or another) even if there are definitely parts of it in execution and concept that don't hold up as well when you think about it too much.

Although personally I think Krakoa reflects less on them as stand-in's for minorities and more from the standpoint of them as a distinct, different, species that separates them from humanity (at least in a genetic sense when no matter how much Mutants might want to set themselves apart, they still are inherently human). At least that's how I felt Hickman approached it.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Appreciate everyones honesty though, not calling anyone in here a bigot, definitely entitled to how you feel.

I, however, do know who'd be at a friends of humanity rally or protest lmaooo. Cause wow.

“I’m not saying anyone’s a bigot, I’m just saying some of y’all would go to a bigoted rally in support of the bigots’ side”.

Ho-Kay then.

[Stormultt Divine]

“I’m not saying anyone’s a bigot, I’m just saying some of y’all would go to a bigoted rally in support of the bigots’ side”.

Ho-Kay then.

Lol some of the rhetoric in here literally mimicked the sentiments of anti-mutant characters...

BUT as i said everyones entitled to their opinion, so yeah...ho-kay indeed.

[Zelena]

Although personally I think Krakoa reflects less on them as stand-in's for minorities and more from the standpoint of them as a distinct, different, species that separates them from humanity (at least in a genetic sense when no matter how much Mutants might want to set themselves apart, they still are inherently human). At least that's how I felt Hickman approached it.

I disagree that if you feel different, you have to wallow in the obsession of your difference.

In Claremont’s days, for all their strangeness and problems that only super-beings could have, the X-men felt like anyone else: they loved, doubted, failed like any human. Claremont showed the things we all had in common… even with aliens.

For its part, Hickman’s run message isn’t one of hope.

[MaximoffTrash]

There is a difference between criticizing the use of fictional narratives and rejecting their overall message or real life implications.
If someone make torture porn/power fantasy/etc about fictional minorities, are people allowed to point out the flaws in their portrayal even if their underlining message is simply "racism bad", "homnophobia/transphobia/etc bad"?

I don't believe Krakoa having drama elements(villains among ranks and stuff) make the whole thing invalid, but also on an off-page level, people can argue how the story about a ficitonal state out of nowhere is not really a serious dive into what mutants supposedly represent. It's fine since X-Men is fundamentally a comic franchise with decades of history with the flexibility of exploring whatever they(actually the writers) feel like. But again not again they also don't necessarily always carry the essence of their famous metaphor.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Lol some of the rhetoric in here literally mimicked the sentiments of anti-mutant characters...

BUT as i said everyones entitled to their opinion, so yeah...ho-kay indeed.

Just wondering if you’d maybe had a stroke while typing your post, as the sentiment flip-flopped quicker than a pancake.