Co signed, if it's for the mutants then they should get to choose who lead.Also w/ all the power Xavier and the good X-men have I highly doubt their isn't a way they can make Sinister and co. loose their power while keeping their benefits.
The mansion was in limbo for a while.Personally I'm fine w/ it not being around for a while, although it could be cool to have a school for young mutants be there in the Krakoan age.
Funny how people say Krakoa is mutants being pro-active when 99% of the mutants have no say in anything about Krakoa.The government is self elected and the people have no idea what's going on w/in the council and have no way to object.Pretty sure a lot of mutants don't want Shaw and Sinister to be their leaders.
Also say what you will about Krakoa but the X-men wouldn't agree to all this.After all this time some of them maybe, but all of them being okay w/ this out of nowhere isn't it.
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“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
Well, I'm expecting the mansion and familiar status quo will be in the MCU one way or another...and, granted, I don't think they'll get as explicitly bad for Mutants as the comics have.
Terrible government systems, death pits, the idea you need to let yourself get beaten to death to get back something your were born with, weird neocolonialism in spots, Sinister being a mutant despite the fact that he essentially appropriated that identity, Magneto flipping his lid at the idea that a diplomat brought a gun when he can kill that entire room with a paper clip. But you know, it’s just we don’t like change or empowered minorities.
Christ please tell me this isn't gonna be another thread where not liking Krakoa or Hickmans writing is treated as being the same as being a bigot against real, actual minorities who cannot fly or blow up buildings with a thought?
Oops, spoke too soon, it's already devolved into that.
Look, the Xmen and mutants being allegories for minorities does not automatically make criticizing story elements or writing as being bigotry against real, actual, people. Especially because, you know, real minorities who can't use mind control or wipe memories at a whim or declare themselves rulers of the earth because of their genetic superiority.
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I love Krakoa. Beyond just the great points brought up in the OP, it's a significantly fresher status quo than the tired mansion stuff which had been old years ago. Need MCU to start with Krakoa to firmly establish this going forward
I don't see how that could work unless they jump, somehow, straight into the X-Men without much of a fresher because they expect people know enough from the Fox movies because Krakoa only really works with a degree of continuity and experience with what Mutants had gone through and what their usual MO was prior to Krakoa.
There would also probably be a lot scaled back for Krakoa and maybe "sanitize" it a little. Like instead of a Quiet Council it would probably be a more traditional government, if it's even treated as a nation at all and not a Superhero headquarters.
It's not going to work because of the sheer amount of build-up needed. You'd either have to make massive adjustments to the story behind it to fit it in or pretend that some pre-existing film cannon was cannon to the MCU to handle at least some of the set-up...which would be the Fox stuff. Too much of Krakoa is dependent on things that have happened in the past comics continuity, things that the general public is definitely not familiar with because the Fox films never touched them, and the animated shows touched on a little more but nowhere near enough.
To be fair, at least one person has said that they only care about the X-men and not mutants specifically but that's probably not them being an actual bigot, and yeah....getting really tired of any criticism of this brand new era has to be because I'm a bigot who hates empowered minorities. Because you know, criticizing them having the genocidal nazi monster who appropriated their minority status as a member of their government is being a bigot. You do realize we can criticize the Krakoan government for being stupid, corrupt, or morally questionable without hating on the ideas of minorities people?
Seriously, if I tried to defend Chuck Austen's run with the idea that any critiscism of the xmen is being I'm pretty sure you all would crucify me virtually over it.
Like you said, people do generally know the mutants and their deal from the old movies and just like Spider-Man, I expect the MCU to do very different stuff from old movies to differentiate their take and they have a habit of taking from recent comics. They just need to establish the mutants, where they are coming from, and use a mutant island nation as sanctuary and you start telling stories there. Also, Quiet Council works fine as it would be like a council of mutants all with a vote