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    Default Why do people want to think Superman is a fascist with absolute power?

    Historically, Superman is the polor opposite of fascist because Siegel and Shuster created him as the antiubermensch who save innocent people and punch fascist.
    Since creation, Superman has been described as the gurdian of everyone and He has fought every racism, fascism, injustice, etc.
    Despite this fact, Why do casual readers or non comic readers want to think Superman is fascist by quoting Alan
    Moore's statement about superheroes or Garth Ennis's Boys, etc?

    Recently, Even Dan Didlo as former chief of DC comics wanted to make Superman evil authoritarian and fascist.
    I don't understand why people want to see fascist Superman so anxiously because it is polor opposite of Superman's nature.
    Do you understand why?
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    It's not that people think he's a fascist. It's ironically his modern writers attempts to keep him neutral on all things that makes it easy for people to project whatever attitudes they want onto him.
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    - Because he's been framed as an embodiment of the American Way since the 40's, and Americans as a rule have a complicated relationship with the American Way (even back then, even before Superman was created) that means some of them can't help but see it as just imperialism.
    - Because he's a white dude who came from the sky and tacitly declared himself the authority on what was right and what was wrong (even, or perhaps especially, if he himself denies having done this), and who is universally beloved by the world (in-universe). A lot of people are skeptical towards this archetype.
    - Because the world's greatest hero who everyone trusts implicitely and could defeat every other superhero (that the general audience recognizes) makes for a good villain for "screw the authority" stories (see also: every fanfic from every series that turns the "Big Good" figure evil).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan58 View Post
    - Because he's been framed as an embodiment of the American Way since the 40's, and Americans as a rule have a complicated relationship with the American Way (even back then, even before Superman was created) that means some of them can't help but see it as just imperialism.
    - Because he's a white dude who came from the sky and tacitly declared himself the authority on what was right and what was wrong (even, or perhaps especially, if he himself denies having done this), and who is universally beloved by the world (in-universe). A lot of people are skeptical towards this archetype.
    - Because the world's greatest hero who everyone trusts implicitely and could defeat every other superhero (that the general audience recognizes) makes for a good villain for "screw the authority" stories (see also: every fanfic from every series that turns the "Big Good" figure evil).
    Lol when Supes was saluting the flag everyone was saluting the flag. It was pretty much law, you didn't have a choice in the matter because the government had it's foot up the ass of all branches of entertainment. If he's going down for that then all the old school heroes are going down for that. By the Bronze Age Clark was a citizen of every country on Earth. Yeah you had Byrne and some other Post-Crisis numbskulls trying to swerve him back to being a USA girlscout but honestly what weren't those guys wrong about. By the mid aughts the American Way BS was pretty much dumped for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    American Way BS
    There’s nothing wrong w. The American Way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riv86672 View Post
    There’s nothing wrong w. The American Way.
    Problem is, what defines "The American Way"? And who's defining it?

    Is "The American Way" the same for a middle-class, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male as it is for other people who have different backgrounds? (Not a question of should it be the same, but is the reality the same experience for people of different economic statuses, different racial backgrounds, different religions, different sexual identities, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    Lol when Supes was saluting the flag everyone was saluting the flag. It was pretty much law, you didn't have a choice in the matter because the government had it's foot up the ass of all branches of entertainment. If he's going down for that then all the old school heroes are going down for that. By the Bronze Age Clark was a citizen of every country on Earth. Yeah you had Byrne and some other Post-Crisis numbskulls trying to swerve him back to being a USA girlscout but honestly what weren't those guys wrong about. By the mid aughts the American Way BS was pretty much dumped for good.
    whatever may be reason Superman got stuck with that..Even if i believe supporting the war effort wasn't wrong..Clark continued with that shtick.Others didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan58 View Post
    - Because he's been framed as an embodiment of the American Way since the 40's, and Americans as a rule have a complicated relationship with the American Way (even back then, even before Superman was created) that means some of them can't help but see it as just imperialism.
    - Because he's a white dude who came from the sky and tacitly declared himself the authority on what was right and what was wrong (even, or perhaps especially, if he himself denies having done this), and who is universally beloved by the world (in-universe). A lot of people are skeptical towards this archetype.
    - Because the world's greatest hero who everyone trusts implicitely and could defeat every other superhero (that the general audience recognizes) makes for a good villain for "screw the authority" stories (see also: every fanfic from every series that turns the "Big Good" figure evil).
    yeah! all these..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan58 View Post
    - Because he's been framed as an embodiment of the American Way since the 40's, and Americans as a rule have a complicated relationship with the American Way (even back then, even before Superman was created) that means some of them can't help but see it as just imperialism.
    - Because he's a white dude who came from the sky and tacitly declared himself the authority on what was right and what was wrong (even, or perhaps especially, if he himself denies having done this), and who is universally beloved by the world (in-universe). A lot of people are skeptical towards this archetype.
    - Because the world's greatest hero who everyone trusts implicitely and could defeat every other superhero (that the general audience recognizes) makes for a good villain for "screw the authority" stories (see also: every fanfic from every series that turns the "Big Good" figure evil).
    So, People are not interested in what true Superman is?
    He has been the paragon of good and polor opposite of fascism,totalitarianism,racism, etc, hasn't he?
    For example,Superman Smash the Clan is based on the anti-racism, anti-KKK campaign that Superman was used in Golden age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    It's not that people think he's a fascist. It's ironically his modern writers attempts to keep him neutral on all things that makes it easy for people to project whatever attitudes they want onto him.
    Calling Superman, a fascist is crazy!! It seems some people these days don't like Superman. Their doing everything they can do to destroy him. It's a shame!! That's where we are today, destroying a good man.
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