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    Quote Originally Posted by The Agent of Chaos View Post
    I just doubt the Hex versions of Billy and Tommy are coming back and the 838 versions wouldn't care about the 616 Wanda. I can see 616 Wanda trying to help them and clean up the mess she made.
    Or don't, since the kids make MCU 616 Wanda irrational by default. She should just avoid them at all cost.

    Yes, a Children's Crusade story where Wanda avoids her own kids like a plague because she is tired of getting that one babycrazy script. She gains some meta awareness and literally read MOM scripts and laugh at herself for ever uttering those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximoffTrash View Post
    Or don't, since the kids make MCU 616 Wanda irrational by default. She should just avoid them at all cost.

    Yes, a Children's Crusade story where Wanda avoids her own kids like a plague because she is tired of getting that one babycrazy script. She gains some meta awareness and literally read MOM scripts and laugh at herself for ever uttering those.
    Even in the original TCC, Wanda says she's more than someone's mother, sister or daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    I wonder if the next Billy and Tommy that we see will already be teenagers.
    The plot leak that (sadly) got everything right last summer said that Wanda's children only appear at the end and are aged up. I'm assuming that refers to a Young Avengers setup that never happened.

    If the rumors about a Wanda solo project are true (and they are coming from the same people who said a year ago that she was going evil) that will hopefully be an opportunity to give her some development that isn't tied to MY BABIES.

    As usual, though, it's hard to get our hopes too high after this disaster. If she gets her project that doesn't change that they were clearly planning to put her on ice until her kids find her, just like in the comics. "WandaVision" just turned out to be too good for them to downgrade her completely. But that's what they would have done.

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    I don't dislike comic TCC, it was necessary for her return.
    But MCU? It would feel like a waste of time.
    Also they already tainted the beautiful message about family in WV for me with MoM, I just want it ignored in its entirety and then make Wanda happily single and **** lol.
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    Yeah, if people have a choice between seeing her hang out with Agatha, or with her kids, who would choose the kids?

    If there is a Scarlet Witch project, Kathryn Hahn had better be in it. Everyone wants to see them work together again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    Yeah, if people have a choice between seeing her hang out with Agatha, or with her kids, who would choose the kids?

    If there is a Scarlet Witch project, Kathryn Hahn had better be in it. Everyone wants to see them work together again.
    I do hope Wanda at least makes an appearance in Agatha. If they don't give her a solo or something else.
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    I want a Darkhold Redeemers show with Wanda in a major role.(I prefer to have Vickie in the protagonist seat since by principle I think everyone should get their due in their own title/home franchise.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    Yeah, if people have a choice between seeing her hang out with Agatha, or with her kids, who would choose the kids?

    If there is a Scarlet Witch project, Kathryn Hahn had better be in it. Everyone wants to see them work together again.
    I would not mind the kids if they gave Wanda the basic "loving parent" treatment nearly every dude(Scott,Clint, Tony) gets lol. It's just mimdboggling how Wanda's family is constantly used to invalidate her story/journey when others' families are used to humanize them.

    A interesting phenomenon regarding Vision's personhood is that, when people are listing MCU Wanda's "crimes", they sometimes list her attacking Vision in CW, but also list her unwillingness to sacrifice Vision in IW. Like basically Vision's personhood is specifically about making Wanda invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerion View Post
    This is SOOO Beyond Sweet and Nee! This needs to be apart of MCU lore in the next Scarlet Witch Project!
    "By Earth and Sky, By Craft and Hex -- By The Past and The Future – I Call HOPE Forth From The DARKNESS! I Speak The Words We Made Into MAGIC! Let THEIR Power Augment Our OWN! To Strike ONE BLOW From Our HEARTS and SOULS – From ALL THAT WE ARE! Let The CALL Go Forth -- AVENGERS! ASSEMBLE!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff ~~ From Avengers #689!

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    "By Earth and Sky, By Craft and Hex -- By The Past and The Future – I Call HOPE Forth From The DARKNESS! I Speak The Words We Made Into MAGIC! Let THEIR Power Augment Our OWN! To Strike ONE BLOW From Our HEARTS and SOULS – From ALL THAT WE ARE! Let The CALL Go Forth -- AVENGERS! ASSEMBLE!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff ~~ From Avengers #689!

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    It seems pretty obvious to me that Wanda and Agatha will probably meet again in Hahn's new series:

    Agatha Harkness : You've no idea what you have unleashed. You're gonna need me.

    Wanda Maximoff : If I do, I know where to find you.

    And I have to say that Agatha DID warn Wanda that the Darkhold was not a particularly benevolent piece of literature:

    Agatha Harkness : Wanda, you've never been up against another witch before. Did you know there's an entire chapter devoted to you in the Darkhold? That's the book of the damned.

    And I guess Wanda was inevitably gonna do bad ****?:

    Wanda Maximoff : I'm not a witch. I don't cast spells. No one taught me magic!

    Agatha Harkness : Your power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme. It's your destiny to destroy the world.

    Wanda Maximoff : I'm not what you say I am.

    Look, I kinda understand why the creators of the MoM might interpret Wanda becoming a destructive force later on, even if they HAD watched WandaVision. I don't think Wanda felt like a murderer-in-waiting at the end of WandaVision though. When Wanda "sucked" her power "back" from Agatha, Harkness couldn't use her magic because of the runes. That means Wanda could have easily dropped Harkness from the sky. But she didn't do it even though she was probably really mad at her.

    One thing I will say is that Wanda didn't "suck" Agatha's magic when Wanda took HER magic "back" from Agatha. So I guess Harkness still possesses her magic (and obviously lives because once witches' "suck" other witches' powers, they end up looking like mummies). Wanda must have cast a spell to "suppress" Agatha's magic. But clearly that's NOT gonna last. I suppose "sucking" magic from other magic users is not really using magic:

    Wanda Maximoff : My powers work out here, or did you forget?

    Agatha Harkness : No, dear. I'm counting on it.

    At first I thought, why wouldn't Agatha just "suck" Wanda's magic while Wanda was prevented from using her magic because of the runes in Harkness's basement? I guess in order for witches to "suck" magic from other witches, the latter need to be able to use their magic. Wanda didn't "suck" Agatha's magic when SHE put runes around Agatha so that makes sense...I think. All I can say is that there was more sucking going on in Episode 9 of WandaVision than your regular porn flick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Agatha Harkness : Your power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme. It's your destiny to destroy the world.
    Hopefully this is still subverted instead of taken literally. Since the whole reasons for heroic prophecies is for the hero to rise to the occasion and prove it wrong. And some of that could have been the Darkhold manipulation through Agatha as well. Since it'd get Wanda more curious to read the book.
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    I am all for "ironic fulfillment of the prophecy" type of story.
    But again MoM kinda already ruined that with the totally not sutble Darkhold castle(seriously, who the **** think of this ****. Wanda should be mortal candidate, the nature of her prophecy is more like "nothing set in stone" while MoM literally has her goddamn statue, not even veild statues, literally statues with her face.)
    This idea could have worked IF Wanda is sane and moral for the most part and then this whole goddamn castle thing is revealed to hint at her dark future and give her some existential horro and ****.
    But nope, she is insane the whole time, so the impact of the Darkhold castle reveal is just mehhhhh. Ahhhh, sure you are telling me a mass muderer is the dark anti-Messiah/anti-Christ? No ****, Sherlock.

    I recently finished Stormlight Archive and there is a whole arc about believing yourself to be some kind of divine champion and then got info-dumped into realizing "oh, I am actually becoming the big bad's champion." Good old basic ass subversion/rewarding narrative.

    People may want to applaud MoM for "innovating"(which is a weird claim because all it did is bringing back some retro camera works. Writing wise there is really nothing that groundbreaking.)
    Even if that is true, I would say "innovation" is not worth pursuing when you are not even familiar with the most basic techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    It seems pretty obvious to me that Wanda and Agatha will probably meet again in Hahn's new series:

    Agatha Harkness : You've no idea what you have unleashed. You're gonna need me.

    Wanda Maximoff : If I do, I know where to find you.

    And I have to say that Agatha DID warn Wanda that the Darkhold was not a particularly benevolent piece of literature:

    Agatha Harkness : Wanda, you've never been up against another witch before. Did you know there's an entire chapter devoted to you in the Darkhold? That's the book of the damned.

    And I guess Wanda was inevitably gonna do bad ****?:

    Wanda Maximoff : I'm not a witch. I don't cast spells. No one taught me magic!

    Agatha Harkness : Your power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme. It's your destiny to destroy the world.

    Wanda Maximoff : I'm not what you say I am.

    Look, I kinda understand why the creators of the MoM might interpret Wanda becoming a destructive force later on, even if they HAD watched WandaVision. I don't think Wanda felt like a murderer-in-waiting at the end of WandaVision though. When Wanda "sucked" her power "back" from Agatha, Harkness couldn't use her magic because of the runes. That means Wanda could have easily dropped Harkness from the sky. But she didn't do it even though she was probably really mad at her.

    One thing I will say is that Wanda didn't "suck" Agatha's magic when Wanda took HER magic "back" from Agatha. So I guess Harkness still possess her magic (and obviously lives because once witches' "suck" other witches' powers, they end up looking like mummies). Wanda must have cast a spell to "suppress" Agatha's magic. But clearly that's NOT gonna last. I suppose "sucking" magic from other magic users is not really using magic:

    Wanda Maximoff : My powers work out here, or did you forget?

    Agatha Harkness : No, dear. I'm counting on it.

    At first I thought, why wouldn't Agatha just "suck" Wanda's magic while Wanda was prevented from using her magic because of the runes in Harkness's basement? I guess in order for witches to "suck" magic from other witches, the latter need to be able to use their magic. Wanda didn't "suck" Agatha's magic when SHE put runes around Agatha so that makes sense...I think. All I can say is that there was more sucking going on in Episode 9 of WandaVision than your regular porn flick.
    Funnily enough I saw that episode just yesterday again.
    Agatha wasn't quite sure at first who she really was dealing with. Hence why she went through Wandas memories. Only after seeing Wanda create the hex she recognized it as Chaos magic and went into power stealing mode.

    It's subtle but the ending has quite a few moments where darker personality traits shined through. When Wanda said that she was sorry, Agatha responds with "no you are not. You are cruel." Wanda smirks in response and then permanently brainwashes her.

    The way she left certainly wasn't the action of a hero who was officially an Avenger either. Instead of putting things right and facing justice, she talks about wanting to understand her own power and just leaves.

    Now I have no problems with all that. As matter of fact I really like it. Wanda isn't Mother Theresa or Captain America to stay in the genre. She never was and probably never will be. She will do what she feels is right according to her even if others disagree with it. If that means joining Hydra and taking revenge on Tony Stark then so be it. If it means avoiding the authorities and leaving all her colleagues in the Avengers behind in a quest to explore her own powers then so be it. Like she said in her conversation with Monica. Knowing the full story wouldn't change the way the others perceive her so she doesn't even bother with it.
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