"CHAOS Magic Woman!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2022

[GenericUsername]

Also I think it's high time Wanda revisit Wundagore again, the whole thing kinda started there, would be nice if she visit Marya(hopefully in a better living condition) again and also Django's grave(since he gave her a fighting chance at the cost of his life). Would be a good way to wrap up the Chthon/Wundagore storyline. Maybe at the start of her new solo or something.

She really does need to see her family again.

[leokearon]

Also I think it's high time Wanda revisit Wundagore again, the whole thing kinda started there, would be nice if she visit Marya(hopefully in a better living condition) again and also Django's grave(since he gave her a fighting chance at the cost of his life). Would be a good way to wrap up the Chthon/Wundagore storyline. Maybe at the start of her new solo or something.

Maybe she could also find where Natalya is buried.

As I said before, doing a Wanda version of Elegy (Uncanny X-Men #138) would be a good way to start her ongoing.

[MaximoffTrash]

Just a quick idea about new skill set. In Omega she absorbed both Darkhold and Chthon right?
Darkhold pages are shown to be indestructible(assuming it's a magic property the writings give to the pages, instead of just the pages being made of tough materials), so one easy way to use that property is to somehow transfer the Darkhold writings on her own skin temporarily(Modred did it once in Mighty Avengers) to gain some incredible durability.
Even if they limit Wanda's power by using explanation like her lack of understanding of Darkhold/Chaos Magic(compared to Chthon of course), it would be interesting to see Wanda working with what she does know and find creative use for her newly acquired raw assets.

Another potential plot point is that Chthon kinda being imprisoned within Wanda, so it would be interesting to see if he is still conscious, maybe Wanda can visit him in a dreaming state(Lovecraftian style), playing some chess and strike some bargains(assuming Wanda didn't simply absorb his knowledge, just his soul/essence, and he is still somewhat a separate entity within Wanda, so she still have some code to crack.). Again, just give him more unique characterization(he is still somewhat generic dark lord in Darkhold Omega.)
I actually want Chthon to be a chill one who doesn't hold grudges.(I generally want higher mystical beings to be beyond human emtions, their love or hatred should be very different from mortals) (Also Wanda should probably sarcastically suggest she did fulfill his wish by bringing him back to sweet home Earth, I always like the "power of irony" when it comes to narrative involving destiny, prophecy and divine/mystical intents.)

[Cruelrain]

no, that was a redesign. He's had a couple of different looks. From normal albino-looking dude to a huge freaky monster. I was expecting him to look closer to Chthulu in this honestly.

I also feel like people don't appreciate what an absurd feat absorbing him is for Wanda. Chthon is a being that can swat Celestials. Chthon is the Lord of the Darkhold (a cornerstone of creation), a book of black magic that rivals the Book of the Vishanti in power. Eternity hinted that left unchecked in this universe, he'd pose a deadly and real threat to him. He's the most powerful of the Elder Gods and there's a good argument that at full strength he's above Shuma Gorath.

This alone makes Wanda the strongest being on Marvel Earth, heck that entire Galaxy

Do you know in what comic was this, i want to read it

[MaximoffTrash]

Do you know in what comic was this, i want to read it

Dan Slott's Mighty Avengers I think, when he possessed Pietro's body.(It was Pym that was talking to Eternity and Eternity was explaining Chthon's nature.)

[Cruelrain]

Its so confusing that in AvX, they talk about Wanda's chaos magic (the powerup she had, in HoM) and never mention the life force

[MaximoffTrash]

Its so confusing that in AvX, they talk about Wanda's chaos magic (the powerup she had, in HoM) and never mention the life force

What do you expect from Bendis and Jason Aaron lol, they frame Chaos Magic and Phoenix Force as some kind of yin and yang for no reason.(And somehow Shou-Lao's power is also a counter Phoenix.)
They wrote lame concepts that sound cool in their heads.

[Cruelrain]

What do you expect from Bendis and Jason Aaron lol, they frame Chaos Magic and Phoenix Force as some kind of yin and yang for no reason.(And somehow Shou-Lao's power is also a counter Phoenix.)
They wrote lame concepts that sound cool in their heads.

The children crusade stuff too, life force its a lame concept and it should have been Chthon who was behind her in m-day like mystic arcana teased.

[MaximoffTrash]

The children crusade stuff too, life force its a lame concept and it should have been Chthon who was behind her in m-day like mystic arcana teased.

Yup, the theories proposed in Mystic Arcana/Marvel Tarot hold so much potential.
What if Darkhold literally recorded stories about those connected to Chthon, and thus those people's memories can be tempered with in a literal form? Like you are writing a character? Easy explanation for Wanda's random memory loss regarding her kids and Agatha.

Not Wanda related, but Marvel Tarot also porposed the theory that Hoggoth of Vishanti is a Great Old One like Shuma-Gorath.
The "good guys" trinity of gods having a Lovecraftian Old One among them is some next-level spicy ****.

[leokearon]

Yup, the theories proposed in Mystic Arcana/Marvel Tarot hold so much potential.
What if Darkhold literally recorded stories about those connected to Chthon, and thus those people's memories can be tempered with in a literal form? Like you are writing a character? Easy explanation for Wanda's random memory loss regarding her kids and Agatha.

Not Wanda related, but Marvel Tarot also porposed the theory that Hoggoth of Vishanti is a Great Old One like Shuma-Gorath.
The "good guys" trinity of gods having a Lovecraftian Old One among them is some next-level spicy ****.

It was always my headcanon that Chthon was responsible for Wanda's memory loss.

[Iron Maiden]

The children crusade stuff too, life force its a lame concept and it should have been Chthon who was behind her in m-day like mystic arcana teased.

I can see why Heinberg introduced the Life Force. It's like Hitchcock's use of a McGuffin. It was just a tool to show how Wanda suddenly became this vengeful person in Bendis's Disassembled arc. Wanda and Victor complete the spell, or so they think and off she goes to being the tragedy/stupidity of Bendis's Disaassembled. Anyone who read her arc through the Avengers series prior to Bendis knows she had put all the issues dealing with Tommy and Billy behind. Then they get new life so to speak in Heinberg's New Avengers when their mother is still pretty much M.I.A. in the MU.

Bendis never explained her sudden turn so Heinberg just dealt with it in a quick manner in Children's Crusade and moved on with his story.

[Relugus]

He has many forms, so not surprised that he's taken on yet another.

It wasn't just Omega Unknown who was trapped in the Other Realm, apparently Tetsuya Nomura was there too and Chthon demanded he give him a new look lol.

It is pretty close to how Chthon would look if he were depicted in a manga or anime,

Also, his horns sort of looked ike Wanda's tiara in terms of outline.

[Galerion]

What are your thoughts Wanda outfit choice? In Trial of Magneto she was wearing a more classical outfit and Im not the biggest fan of it.

Im still a very big fan of her All-New outfit and have been basically since it was first released. It's elegant, still has some mystical elements to it and just looks way more modern and not like bathing suit.




But considering it's the perfect time to introduce something new maybe the will just do that. Maybe something more MCU style which looks a bit more armored.




Irregardless there is one thing I feel strongly about. It needs to have a cape. I guess something like a trench coat can also work but anything without these elements is a big no-go to me.

[Ibara]

What are your thoughts Wanda outfit choice? In Trial of Magneto she was wearing a more classical outfit and Im not the biggest fan of it.

Im still a very big fan of her All-New outfit and have been basically since it was first released. It's elegant, still has some mystical elements to it and just looks way more modern and not like bathing suit.




But considering it's the perfect time to introduce something new maybe the will just do that. Maybe something more MCU style which looks a bit more armored.




Irregardless there is one thing I feel strongly about. It needs to have a cape. I guess something like a trench coat can also work but anything without these elements is a big no-go to me.

Agree on the costume and design choices. The return to her classic look was symbolic of my problems with Wanda's mischaracterization in TOM. She was the delicate damsel mired down with daddy issues. And almost as a rebuttal with her modern outfit, I loved Orlando's take on Wanda in The Darkhold; she was strong, willful, and took full agency facing down a menacing threat. I love Wada's modern and fashionable take to her design and would like any future costume update to follow a similar approach - in his words, "witchy," dark, luxe, romantic, and sharp.

[GenericUsername]

I wouldn't mind the MCU costume in comics. Just don't make her look like Liz. Even as an aside from the whitewashing stuff, that kind of uncanny valley stuff can be a little off-putting. I'm also just not a fan of the orange hair.