"CHAOS Magic Woman!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2022

[MaximoffTrash]

Also I would say no one needs validation or approval for their ideas or wants. If someone here wants the Scarlet Witch to get married to have a three kids by Toad, despite the fact that is not something I want to happen, they certainly have the right to want to happen even if I think it's outlandish. If someone wants to go see whatever MCU money 10 times, no matter what anyone else thinks of it, they don't need validation or approval from anyone else.

Call me proposing a slippery slope but what if people want to see the snuff porn of a character?
What if someone just screams they want Avengers 200 for Carol and consider it weirdly hot or something? Do I get to at least troll them? No?
Every fandom has different air around them, while each claim may have fundamentally the same inherent "value", people react different towards it.
Asking for freedom of expression is reasonable, the immunity from criticism and slander however is not.
Keep in mind I don't respresent anyone but myself, so the criticism is mine and mine alone. If their statement stands upon themselves and don't need validation nor approval, my disagreement towards it shouldn't be considered silencing them. You may want to call it in vain but that's the point of my expression.

[WallStreeter]

Call me proposing a slippery slope but what if people want to see the snuff porn of a character?
What if someone just screams they want Avengers 200 for Carol and consider it weirdly hot or something? Do I get to at least troll them? No?
Every fandom has different air around them, while each claim may have fundamentally the same inherent "value", people react different towards it.
Asking for freedom of expression is reasonable, the immunity from criticism and slander however is not.
Keep in mind I don't respresent anyone but myself, so the criticism is mine and mine alone. If their statement stands upon themselves and don't need validation nor approval, my disagreement towards it shouldn't be considered silencing them. You may want to call it in vain but that's the point of my expression.

I wasn't talking just about you. I am saying just because you don't like something and someone does, doesn't give you the right to attack them. You could simply agree to disagree and move on.

And it is screaming if you get upset lots of fans like something you don't. What you can do but scream about it?

Spider Man sells very well. That doesn't mean I have to buy Spider Man comics. And I don't buy them. Nor do I insult the people who like this.

And if people like Avengers 200, that is absolutely their right to do so. There is no need to attack anyone for different tastes. Is there a law that says people can't like Avengers 20? Is there a law that says people can't like snuff porn or real porn? No.

[WallStreeter]

Being angry is the point in itself, not everything has to be about "oh, what can you chagne about it?" If I am to comment on various issues, the comment is the point even if in the grander scale of things it changes nothing.
Here is one, I am freaking powerless against a corporation or a bloody a state so I might as well shut up, right?

Your Spider-Man example doesn't apply here since I still want this character to thrive lol, just not as a vessel of everything I hate. I didn't straight up quit the fandom you know?
And why, people are free to express their opinions and I will call them what I think they are. Again, I am all for free for all brawl.

And seriously, if you are to stay off my separatist sentiment completely and I stay off yours, half of the conversation will die off.
You may want to ask what is the point of the conversation going on and existing? The engagement is kinda the point in itself. I would argue the same for the very existence of said fictional characters themselves.

This issue will never solve itself until Wanda has a consistent appearance in various media again. And even then, why can't there be discourse? If anyone feels tired, just disengage.

However, you attack the fandom that disagrees with you, because you don't like something they like. That is simply wrong. Just because you disagree with people doesn't mean you have to fight them. It's not like anyone here is the king or queen of fandom.

And Spider Man does apply. Because though I do not like Spider Man comics, I do realize its not up to me what other fans like, nor do they need anyone else's validation or how they spend their time and money.

[WallStreeter]

I will give you another example. There are fans who don't like anything past the 1980s. While I disagree with that fandom, I don't have to bash them. If someone just wants to read 80s comics, they can knock themselves out. I will still love Krakoa and Arrako.

There ways to discuss differences with fandom without attacking people who believe differently than you.

Plus, attacking other fans doesn't change one thing at Marvel. It's really pointless. There were times when I thought Wolverine was overused and overexposed but that didn't mean I have to attack Wolverine fans. I simply opted out of buying his books for awhile. I do like his son Daken and his daughter Laura and I like him together as a family. But for me every solo Wolverine tale has been told, just like Spider Man. But that doesn't mean other people can't enjoy though tales, because plenty do and it is their right.

[gurkle]

There are really two kinds of arguments here: arguments over a character's past stories, and arguments over their future.

They kind of blend together because the one influences the other. If more MCU creators hadn't believed Avengers Disassembled/House of M were beloved classic stories, we might not have gotten what happened in Multiverse of Madness. (Not that it's an excuse for them, since Jac Schaeffer got an assignment to make a House of M type of story and actually tried to do a better version.)

But as long as the character is still able to be published (in theory) then arguments are going to get passionate. Calling out Avengers 200 is also a way of sending out a signal that the MCU should never do anything like this (they won't, because Wanda is the only one whose worst stories are considered her best).

We're all playing to two audiences, the people posting here and the people who actually decide what happens to the character -- they might not read it here but if enough people make it known they don't like a story, they'll sort of be aware eventually.

[WallStreeter]

There are really two kinds of arguments here: arguments over a character's past stories, and arguments over their future.

They kind of blend together because the one influences the other. If more MCU creators hadn't believed Avengers Disassembled/House of M were beloved classic stories, we might not have gotten what happened in Multiverse of Madness. (Not that it's an excuse for them, since Jac Schaeffer got an assignment to make a House of M type of story and actually tried to do a better version.)

But as long as the character is still able to be published (in theory) then arguments are going to get passionate. Calling out Avengers 200 is also a way of sending out a signal that the MCU should never do anything like this (they won't, because Wanda is the only one whose worst stories are considered her best).

We're all playing to two audiences, the people posting here and the people who actually decide what happens to the character -- they might not read it here but if enough people make it known they don't like a story, they'll sort of be aware eventually.

Disagreements are fine. Outright attacking people is just not cool.

Now the last sentence, yes, Marvel does take public opinion into account. However, major ideas that generate, they're not going to come to a message board and write by committee. Neither WandaVision nor MoM would have ever happened if Marvel were obsessed with people screaming online.

I could post bad things about SpiderMan all day, and maybe I could get 5 people to do it. It changes nothing because Spider Man still sells, and the ultimate vote is with your WALLET. And Marvel pays more attention to that that anything.

With that said, just because a movie makes 2 billion dollars at the box office doesn't mean you have to go see it.

Being that the world is full of multiple disasters, why argue over comics? Why not simply learn how to discuss differences?

[GenericUsername]

It why I went digital. LOL

It's probably the best for me to do. I'll just wait a bit so I don't forget about it, because I want to get the $100 pack, but don't want to have my account bounce if I don't remember the pre-order.

[MaximoffTrash]

I will give you another example. There are fans who don't like anything past the 1980s. While I disagree with that fandom, I don't have to bash them. If someone just wants to read 80s comics, they can knock themselves out. I will still love Krakoa and Arrako.

There ways to discuss differences with fandom without attacking people who believe differently than you.

Plus, attacking other fans doesn't change one thing at Marvel. It's really pointless. There were times when I thought Wolverine was overused and overexposed but that didn't mean I have to attack Wolverine fans. I simply opted out of buying his books for awhile. I do like his son Daken and his daughter Laura and I like him together as a family. But for me every solo Wolverine tale has been told, just like Spider Man. But that doesn't mean other people can't enjoy though tales, because plenty do and it is their right.

There is a whole post going back and forth discussing the treatment of Moira, so tell me, which side of it should back off, should all of them just shut up?

What kind of engagement and confrontation is allowed anyway by your standards. What count as not attacking again? People feel offended when I just say certain stories are the worst. How should I keep it civil then, not thinking what I think?

And I have stated it before, words not changing **** still should not stop people from expressing whatever they want. There are countless acts that ultimately lead to nothing but we do it anyway.

Like I said, being angry and resentful is the point in itself sometimes.

[MaximoffTrash]

Disagreements are fine. Outright attacking people is just not cool.

Now the last sentence, yes, Marvel does take public opinion into account. However, major ideas that generate, they're not going to come to a message board and write by committee. Neither WandaVision nor MoM would have ever happened if Marvel were obsessed with people screaming online.

I could post bad things about SpiderMan all day, and maybe I could get 5 people to do it. It changes nothing because Spider Man still sells, and the ultimate vote is with your WALLET. And Marvel pays more attention to that that anything.

With that said, just because a movie makes 2 billion dollars at the box office doesn't mean you have to go see it.

Being that the world is full of multiple disasters, why argue over comics? Why not simply learn how to discuss differences?

Don't worry, I express my resentment about other disasters all the same.
Here goes you "why are you passionate about fictional when real world is this and that" argument.
Yeah, I feel strongly about everything, especially real world issues where I don't think discussing differences is helpful.

[WallStreeter]

There is a whole post going back and forth discussing the treatment of Moira, so tell me, which side of it should back off, should all of them just shut up?

What kind of engagement and confrontation is allowed anyway by your standards. What count as not attacking again? People feel offended when I just say certain stories are the worst. How should I keep it civil then, not thinking what I think?

And I have stated it before, words not changing **** still should not stop people from expressing whatever they want. There are countless acts that ultimately lead to nothing but we do it anyway.

Like I said, being angry and resentful is the point in itself sometimes.

No one should shut up.

However, there's no need to attack people just because people disagree with the treatment of Moira. And if someone is angry and resentful, it is not the fault of the other fans. People are responsible for their own individual happiness or misery.

Example, person A likes Moira X and person B does not like Moira X. There is no reason to resort to personal attacks just because someone likes or doesn't like something you feel differently about. You can make your point about Moira X, whatever it is and just move on.

I know how you feel about the Scarlet Witch's history, and you know how I feel. It would be silly to endlessly argue over that because we already established how we feel and we disagree. And it is perfectly okay to disagree.

[WallStreeter]

Aside from the Hellfire Gala, are their any confirmed appearance of Wanda in ANY comics this year?

[Cubbyboo]

I know that feeling, I have had to cut my collections SO MUCH DOWN, I only now really focus on Scarlet Witch, espically the Pops with very few to now exceptions. Their are thoguht some amazing POPS outside of Wanda like the Iron Man ones that are hard to pass up, so I get it indeed.

Yep. I cut way back also. I have what I personally feel are the best/ most important storylines, awesome appearances and covers, my fave funkos and figures. lol it's still 6 short comic boxes of stuff plus a statue and 2 tonner dolls that won't fit in the boxes - as well as they framed P Craig Russell posterIMG_0122.jpg , Hughes print of Wanda in the sentinel hand IMG_0125.jpg, and the framed cover plate for Avengers 397 Deodato cover IMG_0124.jpg

[GenericUsername]

Aside from the Hellfire Gala, are their any confirmed appearance of Wanda in ANY comics this year?

I think she's supposed to be in an issue of Doctor Strange and in one of Captain Marvel? I don't remember the solicits specifically though.

[Frontier]

I think she's supposed to be in an issue of Doctor Strange and in one of Captain Marvel? I don't remember the solicits specifically though.

I think she is slated to appear in Carol's magic trial and in Clea's book.

[Cubbyboo]

I think she is slated to appear in Carol's magic trial and in Clea's book.

Well thank goodness for small favors?! Wow hopefully something in regular continuity comes through with a positive ongoing arc/storyline.