"CHAOS Magic Woman!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2022

[GenericUsername]

It's a shame how such a missed opportunity it was to make her sons to be in actual danger. Like they should've built from that post credit of Wandavision and had only her to hear their cries of help. And Wong and Strange could've not believed her since Wong met Shang Chi whose father went through similar situation. At least as much atrocities she did it wouldn't just be flat selfish and more of a mother's act of desperation. Oh well...

Yeah I'd rather it be a situation where the Illuminati had maybe taken the kids, that they had been thrown into the cosmos by her spell, and the Illuminati were trying to stop any anomalies from making the incursions worse. Then Wanda having a legit reason to be angry at them (ala Hulk in comics) and going after her own kids. Instead of trying to kidnap someone else's. They then could have aged up the boys to tie into whatever they do in the future for the YA.

[Galerion]

Carol can be the only powerful queen that still can get content while being the all powerful girl boss they want but ofc she needs to lose the title of her own sequel to share it with other two new heroines.

Carol is barely a character in the MCU. She got a movie in 2019 in which she had amnesia for most of it and since then she only got basically cameos which didn't even have anything to do with her or furthered her own story. Helping people in the galaxy is literally the only piece of information we have about what she has been doing all this time.
She clearly isn't some golden child so acting like she is is an odd take. As a matter fact she is currently way more in need of devolpment than Wanda is. Even as a Wanda fan I think that's a fair take.

It's not about how OP she is for me and for a lot of people I know, it's about how her power should differ compared to how it was before she became a witch, esp after she gained Darkhold. It was kinda teased when she was able to astral project that she is now a legit magic user. Her still mostly using blasts and beams wasn't what a lot of people expected. I kinda wanted her to use spells, runes, transmutation and all those stuff, even maybe curses or nature manipulation. I mean she is now already established as an undefeatable being anyway, why limit it? In fact if she was corrupted by the Darkhold she should have fought uncharacteristically, just to show the contrast and so after she destroyed it and (hopefully) returns, her powers can go back to how it was.

Also I was kinda hoping mid watching the first time that she would transform when she realized it was her throne (which indeed what concept artists intended but was eventually discarded).

So creativity is your wish. That's fair enough but it's important to remember that creativity only comes into play when the fight is against equal opponents. A boxing match between two equals is a long drawn out affair where people wear each out other out and are constantly on the lookout for weak spots. If they are not equals though the fight is over quick and one of them is kissing the floor.
That's pretty much how it is in general even with magic. Why cast something else besides Fireball when that's already enough? Makes no sense unless you want to style on your opponents or are simply bored.
Having someone who can actually challenge her is not the direction they wanted to go. The only obstacle that couldn't be simply overpowered was the mirror dimension and so she had to get creative for that.

It's a shame how such a missed opportunity it was to make her sons to be in actual danger. Like they should've built from that post credit of Wandavision and had only her to hear their cries of help. And Wong and Strange could've not believed her since Wong met Shang Chi whose father went through similar situation. At least as much atrocities she did it wouldn't just be flat selfish and more of a mother's act of desperation. Oh well...

I mean as tired of an excuse as it is you can very likely blame COVID for that. I'm pretty sure I heard that WandaVision also was supposed to have 10 episodes before they had to make some changes.

[Cruelrain]

Carol is barely a character in the MCU. She got a movie in 2019 in which she had amnesia for most of it and since then she only got basically cameos which didn't even have anything to do with her or furthered her own story. Helping people in the galaxy is literally the only piece of information we have about what she has been doing all this time.
She clearly isn't some golden child so acting like she is is an odd take. As a matter fact she is currently way more in need of devolpment than Wanda is. Even as a Wanda fan I think that's a fair take.

Nobody saying she's a golden child, not me at least and the point is that even with her lack of content she's depicted as hero (well she's basically the only MCU main heroine they have with a movie on her name).
She still one of the most powerful MCU heroes, and it's her sequel which should do the job to developt her character, not the cameos, her movie got delayed because of the pandemic, so it's not like the MCU forgot about her and it's just willing to put her in cameos.

if anything it's sad that she lost the title of her movie for a teamup project, which will never happen to characters like captain america or any other male hero

[tranquil]

Yeah I'd rather it be a situation where the Illuminati had maybe taken the kids, that they had been thrown into the cosmos by her spell, and the Illuminati were trying to stop any anomalies from making the incursions worse. Then Wanda having a legit reason to be angry at them (ala Hulk in comics) and going after her own kids. Instead of trying to kidnap someone else's. They then could have aged up the boys to tie into whatever they do in the future for the YA.

Or since the twins were created purely from Chaos Magic, they will have a massive amount of the most coveted magic in the Multiverse and a lot of interdimensional beings will come after them. After Wanda accidentally send them away instead of erasing their existence, the twins wonders around the Dark Dimension (or just any hellish dimension) chased by demons. In the end Wanda would send their soul away properly so they won't be chased by demons anymore and also bringing those creatures into 616. In the future, it will be revealed that they are reincarnated into random boys instead. Is it too complicated? I feel like I'm in too deep into a fanfiction lore haha.

Sorry idk how to quote multiple people Galerion. On the contrary why fight using mere fireballs and kinda struggle when you can easily manipulate reality? It feels inconsistent how she can easily put hex around her garden but needs to fly around shooting fireballs in Kamar Taj. She could have mind trap them instantly to avoid body counts, but then there's that Darkhold corruption excuse, right?

I don't think we can give them a pass with the COVID excuse for her base motivation. Their intention was to have that nuance of how you would act if you know a version of yourself have a better life that you always wanted (and they go as far as making a comparison with Sinister Strange). But they probably didn't expect that it would make general people to see Wanda as simply being selfish.

[MaximoffTrash]

Nobody saying she's a golden child, not me at least and the point is that even with her lack of content she's depicted as hero (well she's basically the only MCU main heroine they have with a movie on her name).
She still one of the most powerful MCU heroes, and it's her sequel which should do the job to developt her character, not the cameos, her movie got delayed because of the pandemic, so it's not like the MCU forgot about her and it's just willing to put her in cameos.

if anything it's sad that she lost the title of her movie for a teamup project, which will never happen to characters like captain america or any other male hero

Well, Stephen kinda got his movie hijacked.
Again, I do agree some characters have more narrative protection, but they are still not immune to getting shafted.

[Cruelrain]

Awfully true sadly, a woman who was never a villain to him, managed to get that title in his own movie lol, but he kept the title of Doctor Strange, imagine if they just called it 'the multiverse of variants' because there was barely any real multiversal madness tbh.

[GenericUsername]

Awfully true sadly, a woman who was never a villain to him, managed to get that title in his own movie lol, but he kept the title of Doctor Strange, imagine if they just called it 'the multiverse of variants' because there was barely any real multiversal madness tbh.

He did not however get the SS title, get a good depiction, nor really have his lore explored. He is in his own film framed as being a danger to all universes and caving to the Darkhold in all realities. The movie failed everyone. Wanda, Strange and America Chavez.

[Cruelrain]

Probably gonna fix that in his third movie, now he has Clea, sad that they butchered the Vishanti and basically he got that third eye because of the darkhold? Lol

[Galerion]

Nobody saying she's a golden child, not me at least and the point is that even with her lack of content she's depicted as hero (well she's basically the only MCU main heroine they have with a movie on her name).
She still one of the most powerful MCU heroes, and it's her sequel which should do the job to developt her character, not the cameos, her movie got delayed because of the pandemic, so it's not like the MCU forgot about her and it's just willing to put her in cameos.

if anything it's sad that she lost the title of her movie for a teamup project, which will never happen to characters like captain america or any other male hero

Captain America: Civil War was basically Avengers 2.5 and Tony Stark has basically as much screentime as Cap does. Feel free to check if you don't believe me.
Also remember this?




This was officially announced by Kevin Feige himself in December 2020. We haven't heard anything about it yet so Don Cheadle is still waiting for his turn to finally shine. But he is a black male so he doesn't fit the narrative I guess.
You are clearly operating on some sexism angle and that doesn't have much of a ground to stand on. Or how about that Strange had to wait 6 years to get a second movie will Carol gets a second one in 4 years? That doesn't fit the narrative either.
How about just accepting that managing a billion dollar franchise with multiple projects being worked on at the same time who all employ hundreds of people is not that easy? There will be problems and there will be a change of plans because of them.
It's not like anyone can do it better. The MCU is unprecedented in the industry and as the attempts from DC, Fox and Sony have shown it's not actually that easy to just copy.

Sorry idk how to quote multiple people Galerion. On the contrary why fight using mere fireballs and kinda struggle when you can easily manipulate reality? It feels inconsistent how she can easily put hex around her garden but needs to fly around shooting fireballs in Kamar Taj. She could have mind trap them instantly to avoid body counts, but then there's that Darkhold corruption excuse, right?

I don't think we can give them a pass with the COVID excuse for her base motivation. Their intention was to have that nuance of how you would act if you know a version of yourself have a better life that you always wanted (and they go as far as making a comparison with Sinister Strange). But they probably didn't expect that it would make general people to see Wanda as simply being selfish.

That's exactly what I have been saying. You see reality warping and think about all things that she could have done but by doing so you completely destroy the story in the process hence why its a story breaking power if it's not managed. Who is competing against instant mind trap? Who is competing against limps suddenly missing? Will she just walk up to everyone and say things like "disappear", "go to sleep", "drop dead", "you are a clown", "show me what I want", and all these things just happen? Clearly you can see how that makes for a lacking story because there would be no struggle. Certainly not on Wandas part but not even on her opponents part because they can't even defend themselves. Doesn't matter if they get dusted, put to sleep or teleported to Antarctica they get no say in it. I mean this would actually be really awesome in a single sequence as a flex and to satisfy a power fantasy but for an entire movie that's not really cutting it.

Also there is nothing wrong with being selfish. Cap was selfish in Endgame but after all the things he went through he finally had enough and he deserved to finally do something for himself and not only for others.
Similarly Wanda took loss after loss basically in her entire life. She deserves to be happy for once. I certainly don't blame her for being selfish and I honestly have seen nobody who would say so. The way she wanted to accomplish that was wrong but the goal itself is totally understandable and sympathetic.

[jwatson]

I am Hoping he is telling the truth as well, but he seems really excited about what he was talking about concerning Wanda & Agatha.

I am hoping it is a positive story as well, I did not to get to answer that question, but I got as much as I felt I could non the less.

Curiously he made interesting reference to how while they want synergy with the Movies and the Comics it does not always work or is welcomed. Like the Black Suits form X-Men 2000 was not welcomed by fans in the comics.

Or how a Dr. Strange Movie came out yet Strange was dead in the comics. He made interest in while wanting synergy that they still do allot of their own things in the comics outside of the influences from the Movies, which ultimately can be good to not copy allot of the plot elements we see in modern MCU right now, just piggy backing on what surge of more eyes and wanting on Vision, Wanda, & Agatha after WandaVision and just how good that show in His eyes was.

So, there is hoped to be had.

He also got questions on celebrating Spider-Man’s 1,000th anniversary book like DC did with Batman and idea for Black Label Comics like DC Does, Classic Comic Characters like ROM Space Knight in the Marvel App but they are not able right now to do that cause of IP ownerships.

So, he was a decent and pretty fun person to talked to, so let’s hope he now sticks to his words.




As of Now YES Our Conventions happen 1 time a year, in the summertime and just seem to be growing in size each year which is nice to see. I HIGHLY Suggest in Going, I got a Hotel up in the Area and went all 3 Days cause it is so Big and so much to do I needed 3 days the last few years they have had it, espically after the new Convetion Center was built.

P.S. SOOO Many Amazing Cosplays This Year Too!

I Saw Allot of Scarlet Witch Cosplays this year, even an Wiccan and Speed from the Halloween WandaVision Episode too!

Most Popular Cosplay this year 2022 was Indeed Demon Slayer, I still need to watch more of the Anime but it is Really Good!

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Thanks for all the info. Maybe i will go next year. I'm only like an hour drive from mohegan but maybe staying there would be better, can use it as an excuse to enjoy the casino as well. ^_^

[gurkle]

That's exactly what I have been saying. You see reality warping and think about all things that she could have done but by doing so you completely destroy the story in the process hence why its a story breaking power if it's not managed.

It's the creators' job to manage it. Just like it was the creators' job to provide a good Doctor Strange vs. Scarlet Witch or Wong vs. Scarlet Witch or anybody vs. Scarlet Witch fight instead of what we got. (Though they were originally going to have a big America vs. Wanda fight where they punch in and out of different universes, and that either got cut or was never filmed.)

Characters go up against characters more powerful than themselves all the time, and one way writers handle that is making the more powerful characters forget about their powers -- that always happens -- but also finding ways that the less powerful characters can hold their own. Like Wanda, a probability-altering mutant, beating an immortal Asgardian sorceress by reflecting Amora's much greater (at the time) powers back on her.

[gurkle]

I am Hoping he is telling the truth as well, but he seems really excited about what he was talking about concerning Wanda & Agatha.

I am hoping it is a positive story as well, I did not to get to answer that question, but I got as much as I felt I could non the less.

Curiously he made interesting reference to how while they want synergy with the Movies and the Comics it does not always work or is welcomed. Like the Black Suits form X-Men 2000 was not welcomed by fans in the comics.

Or how a Dr. Strange Movie came out yet Strange was dead in the comics. He made interest in while wanting synergy that they still do allot of their own things in the comics outside of the influences from the Movies, which ultimately can be good to not copy allot of the plot elements we see in modern MCU right now, just piggy backing on what surge of more eyes and wanting on Vision, Wanda, & Agatha after WandaVision and just how good that show in His eyes was.

That surprises me about the black suits because I thought that run by Grant Morrison was very well received and still is.

But they did go back to the traditional costumes after Morrison left so I guess the run could be well liked without liking the costumes.

I hope he's not bluffing about doing something with Wanda but I guess we can be grateful that they aren't doing synergy with Multiverse of Madness right now.

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[GenericUsername]

Captain America: Civil War was basically Avengers 2.5 and Tony Stark has basically as much screentime as Cap does. Feel free to check if you don't believe me.
Also remember this?




This was officially announced by Kevin Feige himself in December 2020. We haven't heard anything about it yet so Don Cheadle is still waiting for his turn to finally shine. But he is a black male so he doesn't fit the narrative I guess.
You are clearly operating on some sexism angle and that doesn't have much of a ground to stand on. Or how about that Strange had to wait 6 years to get a second movie will Carol gets a second one in 4 years? That doesn't fit the narrative either.
How about just accepting that managing a billion dollar franchise with multiple projects being worked on at the same time who all employ hundreds of people is not that easy? There will be problems and there will be a change of plans because of them.
It's not like anyone can do it better. The MCU is unprecedented in the industry and as the attempts from DC, Fox and Sony have shown it's not actually that easy to just copy.




That's exactly what I have been saying. You see reality warping and think about all things that she could have done but by doing so you completely destroy the story in the process hence why its a story breaking power if it's not managed. Who is competing against instant mind trap? Who is competing against limps suddenly missing? Will she just walk up to everyone and say things like "disappear", "go to sleep", "drop dead", "you are a clown", "show me what I want", and all these things just happen? Clearly you can see how that makes for a lacking story because there would be no struggle. Certainly not on Wandas part but not even on her opponents part because they can't even defend themselves. Doesn't matter if they get dusted, put to sleep or teleported to Antarctica they get no say in it. I mean this would actually be really awesome in a single sequence as a flex and to satisfy a power fantasy but for an entire movie that's not really cutting it.

Also there is nothing wrong with being selfish. Cap was selfish in Endgame but after all the things he went through he finally had enough and he deserved to finally do something for himself and not only for others.
Similarly Wanda took loss after loss basically in her entire life. She deserves to be happy for once. I certainly don't blame her for being selfish and I honestly have seen nobody who would say so. The way she wanted to accomplish that was wrong but the goal itself is totally understandable and sympathetic.

They did mention that Armor Wars is still happening at SDCC, they just did not give it a release date yet.

[Cruelrain]

Captain America: Civil War was basically Avengers 2.5 and Tony Stark has basically as much screentime as Cap does. Feel free to check if you don't believe me.
Also remember this?

This was officially announced by Kevin Feige himself in December 2020. We haven't heard anything about it yet so Don Cheadle is still waiting for his turn to finally shine. But he is a black male so he doesn't fit the narrative I guess.
You are clearly operating on some sexism angle and that doesn't have much of a ground to stand on. Or how about that Strange had to wait 6 years to get a second movie will Carol gets a second one in 4 years? That doesn't fit the narrative either.
How about just accepting that managing a billion dollar franchise with multiple projects being worked on at the same time who all employ hundreds of people is not that easy? There will be problems and there will be a change of plans because of them.
It's not like anyone can do it better. The MCU is unprecedented in the industry and as the attempts from DC, Fox and Sony have shown it's not actually that easy to just copy.

I don't even know what you trying argue here, you mention Civil War and ok? Did Steve lost the Captain America title in his movie even if it was basically an Avengers film? No he didn't, that was the point.

And now you're bringing a D+ show about War Machine that wasn't even announced in Phase 5 or 6 but we know it still happening, when i was strictly talking and comparing the "A-lists" in the MCU to say something, characters that get their own solo films, so bringing that show was just ? lol.

Also yes, poor Strange, he waited 6 years for his movie to end up being a mess and got a character he never interacted with shoved in his own movie taking the screentime it should have go to for him to getting decent development.