"CHAOS Magic Woman!" Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Appreciation 2022

[leokearon]

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George Perez at DC headquarters being shown the cover to JLA/Avengers reprint.

[GenericUsername]

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George Perez at DC headquarters being shown the cover to JLA/Avengers reprint.

Bless him! I'm happy they showed him that. One of the best in the comics industry ever.

[GenericUsername]

Thats supposed to be what stops her?

spoilers:

Wanda sacrifices herself as she breaks free from the control of demons in the leak which destroys Wundagore mountain and saves the Multiverse. We aren't sure if she stays dead. What I don't like at all and haven't since WandaVision is this idea that the Scarlet Witch is some evil force meant to destroy reality instead of just her hero name. And the idea that one can become "infected" by chaos magic. They just whittle away at anything Wanda has unique to her and instead of framing it as a strong evil power she has to keep under control, it's something to be exterminated, along with her. I think writers just like to take any nuance out of the character because they are too hung up on chaos magic and that coming from an elder demon god. >The movie begins with Wanda Maximoff (Elizabeth Olsen) at her cabin in the woods. >Mordo (Chiwetel Ejiofor) attacks her for the events of Westview, but Wanda defeats him. >Mordo claims that he will never stop coming after Wanda. She says she knows and decapitates him. >Meanwhile, teenager America Chavez (Xochitl Gomez) is chased by the demon Gargantos and rescued by Defender Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). >Strange takes America to the Sanctum to search for a book of spells when Gargantos breaks through and kills him. >America teleports away with Defender Strange’s body as the universe collapses and ends up in the MCU, where the prime Strange is attending the wedding of his ex-girlfriend Christine Palmer (Rachel McAdams). >Gargantos attacks, looking for America, and Strange fights him. Wong (Benedict Wong) arrives to help and distracts Gargantos long enough for Strange to impale him through the eye. >America leads Strange and Wong to Defender Strange’s dead body and explains that she can create portals between universes. >The friendship between Strange and Wong is strained by Wong having become Sorcerer Supreme while Strange was blipped for five years. >Wong deduces that someone summoned Gargantos and takes America to Kamar-Taj for protection, where they meet the guardian minotaur Rintrah (Adam Hugill). >Meanwhile, Strange visits Wanda in her cabin to ask for her help. She is evasive, and he feels the dark presence of the Darkhold and realizes Wanda summoned Gargantos. >Wanda fights Strange and explains that her children, Tommy and Billy, are lost in the Multiverse and she needs the Darkhold to find them. >Wanda is only able to possess the bodies of her variants and needs America to physically traverse the Multiverse. >Strange argues that the Darkhold is warping Wanda’s mind, but she refuses to listen, and Strange is forced to teleport back to Kamar-Taj. >Strange warns Wong about Wanda. Wong tells Strange about the prophecy that the Scarlet Witch will destroy reality. >Wong claims that if Wanda is the Scarlet Witch, she must be killed, but Strange refuses to accept this and is convinced that he can cure Wanda. >Wanda attacks the Kamar-Taj. Strange protects America while Wong and the sorcerers fight Wanda. >America can’t control her powers and accidentally teleports herself and Strange to a universe where Mordo is the Sorcerer Supreme. They ask for help, but he abducts them instead. >Mordo brings Strange and America before the Illuminati, a secret society that has assembled to protect the Multiverse. >The Illuminati are Professor Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart), Reed Richards (Ioan Gruffud), Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), Maria Rambeau (Lashana Lynch), Balder (Bruce Campbell) and Mordo. >Mordo believes Strange and America should be killed for endangering reality, but Xavier imprisons them instead under the supervision of a variant of Palmer. >Meanwhile, Wanda possesses the body of her variant of the Illuminati’s universe and attacks their lair, killing Balder and injuring Carter, Rambeau and Richards. >Xavier battles Wanda and nearly exorcises her, but she overpowers and kills him. Her dark presence causes her variants’ bodies to rapidly deteriorate. >Strange escapes and is attacked by Mordo while searching for America, but manages to defeat him. >Palmer rescues Strange and America and uses a bracelet to teleport them to another universe and retrieve a spell capable of curing Wanda. >Wanda intercepts them, kidnaps America and abandons Strange and Palmer in a dying universe, unaware that Strange has the spell. >Meanwhile, the sorcerers retrieve the Darkhold and create a protective barrier around it to keep Wanda away. >Wanda breaks through by inflicting nightmarish visions into the minds of the novice sorcerers and abducts Wong so he can lead her to the birthplace of chaos magic in Wundagore Mountain. >In Wundagore, Wanda harnesses America’s power and opens a portal to the universe where Billy and Tommy are. >Wong realizes that Wanda is being manipulated by demons to weaken the cosmic barriers and plunge the Multiverse into chaos. >Meanwhile, Strange fights Strange Supreme, who is also corrupted by chaos magic, for possession of the spell and defeats him. >Strange possesses the dead body of Defender Strange, turning it into a zombie, and manages to teleport into Wundagore and talk to America, encouraging her to embrace her power. >America manages to open a portal to bring Strange and Palmer into Wundagore, while Rintrah and the surviving sorcerers arrive to rescue Wong. >To Wanda’s surprise, Billy and Tommy are living with a loving adoptive family in a farm, not in danger as the Darkhold has influenced her into believing. >Strange confronts her with the spells, but the demons compel Wanda to attack him and they battle across the Multiverse. >Strange brings Wanda back to Wundagore, where he manages to cast the spell and free her from the influence of chaos magic with the help of his allies. >The demons begin spreading through the universes. Wanda regains control and sacrifices herself to destroy Wundagore Mountain and save the Multiverse. >Strange apologizes to Wong and bows to him, accepting Wong as the Sorcerer Supreme. >Palmer returns to her universe to reform the Illuminati. >Strange takes America as his apprentice, having developed a fatherly bond with her. >In a post-credits scene, Strange realizes he is infected by chaos magic as well.

end of spoilers

[Cruelrain]

Very convicing but spoilers:

Mytimetoshinehello a scooper who been leaking stuff of the movie and been right ( a lot of people follow her on twitter) says reed richards is john krasinski and that charlize theron is there as well as Clea with the illuminatis, also says Blackbolt is in the movie and is part of the illuminatis, which sounds so odd

end of spoilers

[MaximoffTrash]

spoilers:

Wanda sacrifices herself as she breaks free from the control of demons in the leak which destroys Wundagore mountain and saves the Multiverse. We aren't sure if she stays dead. What I don't like at all and haven't since WandaVision is this idea that the Scarlet Witch is some evil force meant to destroy reality instead of just her hero name. And the idea that one can become "infected" by chaos magic. They just whittle away at anything Wanda has unique to her and instead of framing it as a strong evil power she has to keep under control, it's something to be exterminated, along with her. I think writers just like to take any nuance out of the character because they are too hung up on chaos magic and that coming from an elder demon god. >The movie begins with Wanda Maximoff (Elizabeth Olsen) at her cabin in the woods. >Mordo (Chiwetel Ejiofor) attacks her for the events of Westview, but Wanda defeats him. >Mordo claims that he will never stop coming after Wanda. She says she knows and decapitates him. >Meanwhile, teenager America Chavez (Xochitl Gomez) is chased by the demon Gargantos and rescued by Defender Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). >Strange takes America to the Sanctum to search for a book of spells when Gargantos breaks through and kills him. >America teleports away with Defender Strange’s body as the universe collapses and ends up in the MCU, where the prime Strange is attending the wedding of his ex-girlfriend Christine Palmer (Rachel McAdams). >Gargantos attacks, looking for America, and Strange fights him. Wong (Benedict Wong) arrives to help and distracts Gargantos long enough for Strange to impale him through the eye. >America leads Strange and Wong to Defender Strange’s dead body and explains that she can create portals between universes. >The friendship between Strange and Wong is strained by Wong having become Sorcerer Supreme while Strange was blipped for five years. >Wong deduces that someone summoned Gargantos and takes America to Kamar-Taj for protection, where they meet the guardian minotaur Rintrah (Adam Hugill). >Meanwhile, Strange visits Wanda in her cabin to ask for her help. She is evasive, and he feels the dark presence of the Darkhold and realizes Wanda summoned Gargantos. >Wanda fights Strange and explains that her children, Tommy and Billy, are lost in the Multiverse and she needs the Darkhold to find them. >Wanda is only able to possess the bodies of her variants and needs America to physically traverse the Multiverse. >Strange argues that the Darkhold is warping Wanda’s mind, but she refuses to listen, and Strange is forced to teleport back to Kamar-Taj. >Strange warns Wong about Wanda. Wong tells Strange about the prophecy that the Scarlet Witch will destroy reality. >Wong claims that if Wanda is the Scarlet Witch, she must be killed, but Strange refuses to accept this and is convinced that he can cure Wanda. >Wanda attacks the Kamar-Taj. Strange protects America while Wong and the sorcerers fight Wanda. >America can’t control her powers and accidentally teleports herself and Strange to a universe where Mordo is the Sorcerer Supreme. They ask for help, but he abducts them instead. >Mordo brings Strange and America before the Illuminati, a secret society that has assembled to protect the Multiverse. >The Illuminati are Professor Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart), Reed Richards (Ioan Gruffud), Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), Maria Rambeau (Lashana Lynch), Balder (Bruce Campbell) and Mordo. >Mordo believes Strange and America should be killed for endangering reality, but Xavier imprisons them instead under the supervision of a variant of Palmer. >Meanwhile, Wanda possesses the body of her variant of the Illuminati’s universe and attacks their lair, killing Balder and injuring Carter, Rambeau and Richards. >Xavier battles Wanda and nearly exorcises her, but she overpowers and kills him. Her dark presence causes her variants’ bodies to rapidly deteriorate. >Strange escapes and is attacked by Mordo while searching for America, but manages to defeat him. >Palmer rescues Strange and America and uses a bracelet to teleport them to another universe and retrieve a spell capable of curing Wanda. >Wanda intercepts them, kidnaps America and abandons Strange and Palmer in a dying universe, unaware that Strange has the spell. >Meanwhile, the sorcerers retrieve the Darkhold and create a protective barrier around it to keep Wanda away. >Wanda breaks through by inflicting nightmarish visions into the minds of the novice sorcerers and abducts Wong so he can lead her to the birthplace of chaos magic in Wundagore Mountain. >In Wundagore, Wanda harnesses America’s power and opens a portal to the universe where Billy and Tommy are. >Wong realizes that Wanda is being manipulated by demons to weaken the cosmic barriers and plunge the Multiverse into chaos. >Meanwhile, Strange fights Strange Supreme, who is also corrupted by chaos magic, for possession of the spell and defeats him. >Strange possesses the dead body of Defender Strange, turning it into a zombie, and manages to teleport into Wundagore and talk to America, encouraging her to embrace her power. >America manages to open a portal to bring Strange and Palmer into Wundagore, while Rintrah and the surviving sorcerers arrive to rescue Wong. >To Wanda’s surprise, Billy and Tommy are living with a loving adoptive family in a farm, not in danger as the Darkhold has influenced her into believing. >Strange confronts her with the spells, but the demons compel Wanda to attack him and they battle across the Multiverse. >Strange brings Wanda back to Wundagore, where he manages to cast the spell and free her from the influence of chaos magic with the help of his allies. >The demons begin spreading through the universes. Wanda regains control and sacrifices herself to destroy Wundagore Mountain and save the Multiverse. >Strange apologizes to Wong and bows to him, accepting Wong as the Sorcerer Supreme. >Palmer returns to her universe to reform the Illuminati. >Strange takes America as his apprentice, having developed a fatherly bond with her. >In a post-credits scene, Strange realizes he is infected by chaos magic as well.

end of spoilers

So Illuminati are treated as good guys worth rebuilding and every unique piece of Wanda's lore is treated as inherently evil.
Chaos Magic being evil and infectious is like saying fire or water is evil and shit.
And instead of a more tangible and clear demonic/Elderitch figure in Chthon, it's generic Eviilllll demons lol.

The world building of mystical MCU is gonna be bland and generic if this is the case. Oh, evill magic books make you evil. Demons are eviillll, no shit. What about their spheres and realms, what do they represent as mystical entities? Nothing of those sorts I guess lol.

[leokearon]

Bless him! I'm happy they showed him that. One of the best in the comics industry ever.

Too true. I really wish they didn't do a limited run though

[MaximoffTrash]

Also it's pretty funny no one will dare write mutants as an actual fucking disease and inherently evil.
But I guess those writers don't know how to write proper modern fantasy elements and any "dark magic" user are the equivalents of Sauron lol.
Wanda's own power trope is nothing new or that hard to do right. Comics as a media are filled with edgy dark heroes with edgy dark powers(either just aesthetically or actually demonic).
Wanda is one of the tamer variants, and sonehow she gets this kind of treatment.

And of couese another trope regarding violent protective parents. There are no lack of media depicting grunpy dudes as violent, flawed but argubly heroic dads.(And of course the kids appreciate them and the dads conveniently only hurt bad guys.)
When you flip the gender, there aren't many good examples. You probably got Sarah Conor but that is pretty much it.
(The Witcher netflix adaption for some reason feel the need to make Yennefer more shady towards Ciri while keeping Geralt as the good dad figure.)

I guess I just happen to like heavily misinterpreted characters for some reason.

[Scarlet Wiccan]

spoilers:

Wanda sacrifices herself as she breaks free from the control of demons in the leak which destroys Wundagore mountain and saves the Multiverse. We aren't sure if she stays dead. What I don't like at all and haven't since WandaVision is this idea that the Scarlet Witch is some evil force meant to destroy reality instead of just her hero name. And the idea that one can become "infected" by chaos magic. They just whittle away at anything Wanda has unique to her and instead of framing it as a strong evil power she has to keep under control, it's something to be exterminated, along with her. I think writers just like to take any nuance out of the character because they are too hung up on chaos magic and that coming from an elder demon god. >The movie begins with Wanda Maximoff (Elizabeth Olsen) at her cabin in the woods. >Mordo (Chiwetel Ejiofor) attacks her for the events of Westview, but Wanda defeats him. >Mordo claims that he will never stop coming after Wanda. She says she knows and decapitates him. >Meanwhile, teenager America Chavez (Xochitl Gomez) is chased by the demon Gargantos and rescued by Defender Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). >Strange takes America to the Sanctum to search for a book of spells when Gargantos breaks through and kills him. >America teleports away with Defender Strange’s body as the universe collapses and ends up in the MCU, where the prime Strange is attending the wedding of his ex-girlfriend Christine Palmer (Rachel McAdams). >Gargantos attacks, looking for America, and Strange fights him. Wong (Benedict Wong) arrives to help and distracts Gargantos long enough for Strange to impale him through the eye. >America leads Strange and Wong to Defender Strange’s dead body and explains that she can create portals between universes. >The friendship between Strange and Wong is strained by Wong having become Sorcerer Supreme while Strange was blipped for five years. >Wong deduces that someone summoned Gargantos and takes America to Kamar-Taj for protection, where they meet the guardian minotaur Rintrah (Adam Hugill). >Meanwhile, Strange visits Wanda in her cabin to ask for her help. She is evasive, and he feels the dark presence of the Darkhold and realizes Wanda summoned Gargantos. >Wanda fights Strange and explains that her children, Tommy and Billy, are lost in the Multiverse and she needs the Darkhold to find them. >Wanda is only able to possess the bodies of her variants and needs America to physically traverse the Multiverse. >Strange argues that the Darkhold is warping Wanda’s mind, but she refuses to listen, and Strange is forced to teleport back to Kamar-Taj. >Strange warns Wong about Wanda. Wong tells Strange about the prophecy that the Scarlet Witch will destroy reality. >Wong claims that if Wanda is the Scarlet Witch, she must be killed, but Strange refuses to accept this and is convinced that he can cure Wanda. >Wanda attacks the Kamar-Taj. Strange protects America while Wong and the sorcerers fight Wanda. >America can’t control her powers and accidentally teleports herself and Strange to a universe where Mordo is the Sorcerer Supreme. They ask for help, but he abducts them instead. >Mordo brings Strange and America before the Illuminati, a secret society that has assembled to protect the Multiverse. >The Illuminati are Professor Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart), Reed Richards (Ioan Gruffud), Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), Maria Rambeau (Lashana Lynch), Balder (Bruce Campbell) and Mordo. >Mordo believes Strange and America should be killed for endangering reality, but Xavier imprisons them instead under the supervision of a variant of Palmer. >Meanwhile, Wanda possesses the body of her variant of the Illuminati’s universe and attacks their lair, killing Balder and injuring Carter, Rambeau and Richards. >Xavier battles Wanda and nearly exorcises her, but she overpowers and kills him. Her dark presence causes her variants’ bodies to rapidly deteriorate. >Strange escapes and is attacked by Mordo while searching for America, but manages to defeat him. >Palmer rescues Strange and America and uses a bracelet to teleport them to another universe and retrieve a spell capable of curing Wanda. >Wanda intercepts them, kidnaps America and abandons Strange and Palmer in a dying universe, unaware that Strange has the spell. >Meanwhile, the sorcerers retrieve the Darkhold and create a protective barrier around it to keep Wanda away. >Wanda breaks through by inflicting nightmarish visions into the minds of the novice sorcerers and abducts Wong so he can lead her to the birthplace of chaos magic in Wundagore Mountain. >In Wundagore, Wanda harnesses America’s power and opens a portal to the universe where Billy and Tommy are. >Wong realizes that Wanda is being manipulated by demons to weaken the cosmic barriers and plunge the Multiverse into chaos. >Meanwhile, Strange fights Strange Supreme, who is also corrupted by chaos magic, for possession of the spell and defeats him. >Strange possesses the dead body of Defender Strange, turning it into a zombie, and manages to teleport into Wundagore and talk to America, encouraging her to embrace her power. >America manages to open a portal to bring Strange and Palmer into Wundagore, while Rintrah and the surviving sorcerers arrive to rescue Wong. >To Wanda’s surprise, Billy and Tommy are living with a loving adoptive family in a farm, not in danger as the Darkhold has influenced her into believing. >Strange confronts her with the spells, but the demons compel Wanda to attack him and they battle across the Multiverse. >Strange brings Wanda back to Wundagore, where he manages to cast the spell and free her from the influence of chaos magic with the help of his allies. >The demons begin spreading through the universes. Wanda regains control and sacrifices herself to destroy Wundagore Mountain and save the Multiverse. >Strange apologizes to Wong and bows to him, accepting Wong as the Sorcerer Supreme. >Palmer returns to her universe to reform the Illuminati. >Strange takes America as his apprentice, having developed a fatherly bond with her. >In a post-credits scene, Strange realizes he is infected by chaos magic as well.

end of spoilers

I don't think this is the correct plot, this leak from late august was being discussed on reddit.

Spoilers for MoM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudi...m_source=share

[Cruelrain]

I don't think this is the correct plot, this leak from late august was being discussed on reddit.

Spoilers for MoM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudi...m_source=share

Yeah it's been around for a while, i hope it is wrong especially with Wanda cause its the same plot as Shang Chi with his dad, because some demons made him believe something and turns bad lol

[Galerion]

Lame, putting moral alighment in magic/power is always dumb in my book, Wanda needs control over her power, not some kind of purification and salvation.

It is kinda the point that Wanda herself chooses to do good despite having some seemingly "evil/dark" power(as perceived by some people). It's her own choice that matters, not an outside purification.

Maybe I am not one of those cool kids anymore, but this handling of lore and perception on magic is just dumb and tiring to me.

The talk is about the Darkhold and not Chaos Magic. Those things have nothing to do with each other besides coming from the same source.

[Scarlet Wiccan]

Thats supposed to be what stops her?

Spoliers for MoM

spoilers:

well from what iv'e read what stops Wanda and snaps her out of the darkholds corruption is that her children get scared of her and start crying. She realises she was wrong goes back to the darkhold domain destroys the darkhold and then blows up the domain. Then apparently she suffers some kind of darkhold induced madness and does what she did in westview but this time to the entire multiverse, her body is then seen in the rubble

end of spoilers

[Cruelrain]

Well if that ends up being true, i hope they get bombarded by the critics for their double standars with female characters... and that stereotype of how women cant control their power, it's very tiring.

As well as so different from what the WV ending showed.

[MaximoffTrash]

The talk is about the Darkhold and not Chaos Magic. Those things have nothing to do with each other besides coming from the same source.

Darkhold's knowledge is also not inherently evil.
And I would prefer Wanda simply dealing with it herself since duh, she is of the same source. She should be that anti-anti-Christ that deals with this kind of issue than being most vulnerable to it.(That will be like making Blade insta-killable by any vampire bites and shit.)

[MaximoffTrash]

Spoliers for MoM

spoilers:

well from what iv'e read what stops Wanda and snaps her out of the darkholds corruption is that her children get scared of her and start crying. She realises she was wrong goes back to the darkhold domain destroys the darkhold and then blows up the domain. Then apparently she suffers some kind of darkhold induced madness and does what she did in westview but this time to the entire multiverse, her body is then seen in the rubble

end of spoilers

So after her supposed lack buster redemption, they add another layer of madness and then use her as the plot device to introduce whatever they feel like doing next?

[MaximoffTrash]

The thing is how much longer Wanda will be tangled with kind of storyline even if she is to surive and continue her arc.
I guess you guys won't like it if every story about Wanda is her fucking up and the next is her feeling sorry. That will be like her every post-HoM appearance having none-stop reference to that event, and Wanda's mind cannot think of anything else but the horrors of HoM and shit.
MoM won't be a one movie deal character assassination for Wanda, it will inevitably waste her next appearance to again address some fucking tiresome shit.