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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    There have been diminishing returns on Klaw’s use as a villain since his first appearance. There have been fine reinventions across various stories and mediums but Klaw hasn’t been a compelling threat to T’Challa in a non-origin related comic in the main MU in years. I’m always one for reinventing and building off stuff that came before, but like Ezyo’s suggesting, the potential of Klaw as an Avengers-level threat has the real possibility of being another lame showing based off prior appearances. And Ridley hasn’t exactly done a great job conveying threat level and competence in his first arc, it’s perfectly fine to question his ability to make a villain “worthy” of the Avengers. Which is to say nothing of the generally meh character work.

    If Klaw’s the villain then it’s uninspired because it wasn’t that long ago that we saw him. Since T’Challa fought him over reverbium or whatever halfway the Coates run, readers have only really seen T’Challa fight Adversary and the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda, which was led by another major Black Panther villain in Killmonger. To do another intergalactic story repurposing a classic BP rogue after fans spent 25 issues and like 3 years with that same story is definitely a bit boring at this point. Hell part of the novelty of this run was “grounding” T’Challa back to earth after an entire vol largely spent on cosmic stuff, heading back to space less than 12 issues into this new run is lame to me, but given Ridley’s mediocre espionage direction maybe this is the shot in the arm his book needs.
    In terms of character Hudlin's Klaw was the best but when it came to creative use of his abilities Priest used it best. Give Klaw the character of the masterclass assassin that Hudlin gave him combined with the creative use of his abilities under Priest, he'd be a much better villain than. Only BP books treat him as a threat meanwhile outside he gets beat by Goldballs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    I used to advocate for more Wakanda set stories but after these last six years Wakanda has been nothing but a hindrance. Let T'Challa rule the empire, he's still emperor and give us the proper space story that Hickman setup.
    Indeed. Let’s get some cosmic villains in T’Challas rogues gallery. And interactions with Inhumans are a must if we’re never gonna see Wakanda interact with utolan.
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    In a BLACK PANTHER FILM

    This is the only thing Im looking forward too. Like how?


    Leaker obviously blurred him to not get in trouble, but still.

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    I don’t care who’s in it. I still won’t be seeing it. I’ll just read what it’s about later on after the release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    I agree, 100.

    And that's on Marvel for not having faith in his story pitch, and experience and deciding (yet again) to go with a more "reputable" and experienced writer.
    No no no, Coates was NOT experienced at all. He was as neophyte as you get. He simply had the literature crowd and able to get T'Challa in places other comic writer's couldn't... But then wasted it by giving us the most castrated T'Challa and the most racially stereotyped depictions of black folks and Africa shoved into Wakanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    In terms of character Hudlin's Klaw was the best but when it came to creative use of his abilities Priest used it best. Give Klaw the character of the masterclass assassin that Hudlin gave him combined with the creative use of his abilities under Priest, he'd be a much better villain than. Only BP books treat him as a threat meanwhile outside he gets beat by Goldballs.
    All the above with the look of War for Wakanda Klaw. Then crank his power up to 11, have him kill goldballs and a few other forgettable Z listers straight up, have he battle and beat some more popular characters and prove himself to be a true threat to the Avengers and have T'Challa be the one to deliver the knock out blow to him. But DON'T make him the main boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    All the above with the look of War for Wakanda Klaw. Then crank his power up to 11, have him kill goldballs and a few other forgettable Z listers straight up, have he battle and beat some more popular characters and prove himself to be a true threat to the Avengers and have T'Challa be the one to deliver the knock out blow to him. But DON'T make him the main boss.

    When you say don’t make him the main boss, do you mean TChalla or Klaw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaue's Mixtape View Post
    In a BLACK PANTHER FILM

    This is the only thing Im looking forward too. Like how?


    Leaker obviously blurred him to not get in trouble, but still.
    Only thing in the sequel that interests me is exactly how they're going to kill T'Challa off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    When you say don’t make him the main boss, do you mean TChalla or Klaw?
    Klaw, he shouldn't be the big bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    In terms of character Hudlin's Klaw was the best but when it came to creative use of his abilities Priest used it best. Give Klaw the character of the masterclass assassin that Hudlin gave him combined with the creative use of his abilities under Priest, he'd be a much better villain than. Only BP books treat him as a threat meanwhile outside he gets beat by Goldballs.
    Yea Hudlin made Klaw entertaining as a personality, thatís actually one major contribution he made that hasnít been warped by current creators yet. It was Saturday morning cartoonish but that works for Klaw because heís not the most serious villain in the world so we donít need complex motivations or a clash of ideals, thatís what the mythos has Killmonger for. Youíre right, combine that with the sonic powers of the Priest era and you already have a Klaw infinitely more interesting than his last appearance. The War for Wakanda DLC adds some useful elements as well, the whole Nathan Drake treasure hunter meets underground super-scientist vibe works well.

    Klawís also the kind of villain that benefits from having cool underlings. He has the tech already. All he needs is the resources of an abandoned AIM lab facility to create his own team of cyborg killers enhanced with black market super metals and sonic energy. He shouldnít be treated as the kind of villain TíChalla can just run up on and punch out, he needs powerful subordinates, allies, etc. to have the air of someone worth going against the king of the most advanced civilization on Earth. If Ridley plans on using him, I think heís on the right path having TíChalla bring together the Avengers to take him down, but I wouldíve preferred Ezyoís idea. Have him in the background accumulating power while catching some bodies to establish his new threat level and goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    Klaw, he shouldn't be the big bad

    Got it. I thought you meant TChalla. I was thinking, I like seeing him lead the Avengers. Should he come back in and lead right away? I don’t know? But I would like to see him work his way back in to leading the team quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNomarch View Post
    Only thing in the sequel that interests me is exactly how they're going to kill T'Challa off.
    Slips in the bathtub. I mean why not go all the way with the f.u. to the fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Got it. I thought you meant TChalla. I was thinking, I like seeing him lead the Avengers. Should he come back in and lead right away? I donít know? But I would like to see him work his way back in to leading the team quickly.
    If Aaron is writing Iíd be happy to see TíChalla as chairman again. Heís consistently gotten the characterís tone and capabilities right. Everything from that scene where heís talking to holographic TíChaka down to the reveal TíChalla had Ursa Major as his spy on the Winter Guard all the way to him beating Moon Knight. At the same time, his TíChalla isnít invulnerable and heís always written the character logically. If TíChalla didnít have an ongoing Iím pretty sure heíd be the central figure of the Aaron run, which Iíd almost favor over an ongoing at this point lol.

    But Iíd be happy to just see TíChalla as part of the team. If Tony, Cap, Thor, and Carol can all pull double duty in their solos and Avengers thereís no excuse TíChalla canít. He deserves to be seen as a regular member just like them and it never hurts to expand a characterís appearances. As long as the solo isnít influencing the team book too much and vice verse it should work out fine. But if the writing team for Avengers changes (which seems possible since the current run feels like itís coming to a close) and itís a writer I donít trust then Iím fine with just a solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    If Aaron is writing I’d be happy to see T’Challa as chairman again. He’s consistently gotten the character’s tone and capabilities right. Everything from that scene where he’s talking to holographic T’Chaka down to the reveal T’Challa had Ursa Major as his spy on the Winter Guard all the way to him beating Moon Knight. At the same time, his T’Challa isn’t invulnerable and he’s always written the character logically. If T’Challa didn’t have an ongoing I’m pretty sure he’d be the central figure of the Aaron run, which I’d almost favor over an ongoing at this point lol.

    But I’d be happy to just see T’Challa as part of the team. If Tony, Cap, Thor, and Carol can all pull double duty in their solos and Avengers there’s no excuse T’Challa can’t. He deserves to be seen as a regular member just like them and it never hurts to expand a character’s appearances. As long as the solo isn’t influencing the team book too much and vice verse it should work out fine. But if the writing team for Avengers changes (which seems possible since the current run feels like it’s coming to a close) and it’s a writer I don’t trust then I’m fine with just a solo.

    I absolutely agree. The solo shouldn’t influence the team book. Aaron writes a better TChalla anyway. In fact, I don’t want Ridley influencing Aaron’s TChalla. And I loved that scene where he’s talking to the holographic TChaka. Aaron went as far as to show how meticulous TChalla is as a person, right down to what the man eats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    I absolutely agree. The solo shouldn’t influence the team book. Aaron writes a better TChalla anyway. In fact, I don’t want Ridley influencing Aaron’s TChalla. And I loved that scene where he’s talking to the holographic TChaka. Aaron went as far as to show how meticulous TChalla is as a person, right down to what the man eats.
    Yea Aaron nailed that T’Chaka scene and I think articulated why he likes the character so much by just giving a little insight into T’Challa’s routine. It’s one of the strongest, yet understated bits of character work the book has done so far and if everything else about it weren’t so trash people would realize Aaron is writing a really good Black Panther.

    Not definitive by any means (he’s basically writing Hudlin T’Challa with a heavy dosage of Priest) but it’s still entertaining. It really does make you wonder what he could do if he didn’t have to write the character as part of a team and just had T’Challa. I’m not sure I want a solo by Aaron but I definitely want T’Challa on whatever ensemble book he’s writing.

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