YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Toonstrack]

He is the head of all things Marvel. He sets the tone for all things Marvel. All things Marvel are either influenced by the MCU or narratives that he wants to shape one of which being that black panther isn't just about T'Challa, those are his words he exclaimed on a Red carpet interview after Chadwick died.
This isn't all coincidence

All fiege does is give final approval on things. He isn't the one who determines how these stories go for the characters, he determines how they WONT go. He doesn't determine who they cast, he determines who they won't cast... for the most part. And like I said, BP has been treated by a mantle long since before Fiege got the position he has... the precedent has been there for like 15 years back when fiege was still working on Affleck daredevil lol

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Feige, Coogler and Nate Moore are sick for this

Bam Smack Pow
@BamSmackPow
Kevin Feige has called BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER the biggest thing Marvel Studios have ever done.

#D23 #D23Expo #D23Expo2022

Screen Rant
@screenrant
Ryan Coogler showed new #BlackPanther: Wakanda Forever footage! Looks fantastic. "The King is dead. The Black Panther is gone." The world wants Wakanda's Vibranium.

[BlackClaw]

Meh at this point I’m more interested on what’s going on in the gaming world now that Redjack is involved. Let’s hope the game does well and an actual T’Challa solo game is green lit!

[Steroid]

Meh at this point I’m more interested on what’s going on in the gaming world now that Redjack is involved. Let’s hope the game does well and an actual T’Challa solo game is green lit!

Agreed, at this point it's the best we can hope to get.

[Vanguard]

Agreed, at this point it's the best we can hope to get.

Still have comics not written by Ridley.

[Ezyo1000]

I don't believe that the EA game was confirmed I haven't heard or seen anything that said that it was. If it turns out to be no solo game in development that will be disappointing. But if this game does good enough or if they already have plans to do so, a sequel to this could be a T'Challa solo game.



I believe that this game will be copying the MCU where Cap gets his vibranium shield from Howard since Steve already has it.

So there was no news at all? Seems people are still talking as though it is. Doesn't make sense that they would be this far off

[Ezyo1000]

Feige, Coogler and Nate Moore are sick for this

Bam Smack Pow
@BamSmackPow
Kevin Feige has called BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER the biggest thing Marvel Studios have ever done.

#D23 #D23Expo #D23Expo2022

Screen Rant
@screenrant
Ryan Coogler showed new #BlackPanther: Wakanda Forever footage! Looks fantastic. "The King is dead. The Black Panther is gone." The world wants Wakanda's Vibranium.

I mean, Feigi ain't wrong. It is the biggiest thing they have ever done. They are removing the lead and gaslighting fans Into believing it was just a mantle and it's always been about that and Wakanda and not T'Challa.

[Frontier]

All fiege does is give final approval on things. He isn't the one who determines how these stories go for the characters, he determines how they WONT go. He doesn't determine who they cast, he determines who they won't cast... for the most part. And like I said, BP has been treated by a mantle long since before Fiege got the position he has... the precedent has been there for like 15 years back when fiege was still working on Affleck daredevil lol

In the sense that it literally is a mantle, even if in practice T'Challa has basically dominated it.

[Blind Wedjat]

In the sense that it literally is a mantle, even if in practice T'Challa has basically dominated it.

Yes but I really do think this stuff is inevitable with characters that start of inheriting some kind of mantle. Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Green Lantern, etc. Many of the iconic holders of these mantles have lost them at some point for extended periods of time with new characters being the contemporary versions. This isn't the same thing as Bruce Wayne or Steve Rogers letting someone else be Batman or Captain America, as those are not mantles they inherited but created themselves.

So yes Nate Moore is right when he emphasizes that Black Panther has always been a mantle even if T'Challa has dominated it since the beginning. We can argue about whether the MCU is going to set a precedent of kicking T'Challa out (personally I don't think that's gonna happen but maybe I'm a naïve optimist). What I think is happening is that the Black Panther lore is becoming more popular than ever and creatives are trying to mine out different corners that aren't exclusively T'Challa stories. My problem with them is that most attempts just suck and aren't very interesting. Honestly, I think BP comics need a really, really good and deep reboot with someone who has respect for T'Challa and his world but wants to rethink things from the bottom up.

[Redjack]

What a lot of folks seem to aggressively and conveniently forget is that T'Chaka and ESPECIALLY T'Challa are (or used to be) UNIQUE in the history of WAKANDA. Father and son are both looking out at the larger world and realizing Wakanda needs to be part of it. T'Chaka was the slow walk, trying to ease things along. T'Challa is the CANNON, forcing his people and the world together, not out of personal desire but out of necessity. Their days of hiding are over as a matter of survival.

Prior to this father and son, the Black Panther mantle-holders were, essentially, interchangeable. Wakanda was a stable, utopian hermit kingdom. So, while every Panther is a badass fighter, NOT every Panther is a scientific genius (T'Challa) and ZERO Panthers were trying to re-connect Wakanda to the outside world (T'Chaka and T'Challa).

Whatever "political strife" occurred in Wakanda did so and was handled thousands of years ago. Wakandan society is an example of how all human society should be. Or, rather, it was that. Now there are rape camps and misogyny, among many other ills. A generation of writers and editors desired to have Wakanda reflect many of the modern and traditional realities of real African nations.

This was and remains a mistake. Not only because super-hero comics are the antithesis of "realism" but because, even within the fictional universe, zero of those ills have ever touched Wakanda. It couldn't have survived as long as it did if they had. No chance. So, we're talking about selective realism and that's just as corruptive.

What you want is naturalism (the character(s) feel like believable people) and plausibility (yeah, in the context of this universe, THAT could happen) in super-hero comics. never actual realism.

The editorial choices that have taken the character and the nation away from their foundation have ultimately gutted their uniqueness and importance.

After all, we don't tell the stories of how everything was perfect for ten thousand years. We tell the story of change and the upheaval that brings.We tell the story of NOW. Right now. Super-hero comics are always NOW. There's no beginning and no end. These aren't actually stories but extended vignettes.

This is the difference between corporate thinking– which is ultimately to sell as much of the product to as many people as they can by basically any means– and good storytelling.

The Black Panther is Wakanda. Wakanda is forever.

IMO, of course.

[KingNomarch]

In the August sales rankings, Ridley's #8 was knocked out of the top 75 and wasn't in the top 100. It dropped to #104. I don't know when the actual sales number will be released but assuming that it sold well under 20k. Maybe 18k or less.

https://out.reddit.com/t3_xal024?url...&app_name=mweb

Marvel wants to eventually successfully spinoff BP books then maybe get writers that'll do the opposite of what they been forcing on us for 8 years

[Mantis-Ray]

Yes but I really do think this stuff is inevitable with characters that start of inheriting some kind of mantle. Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Green Lantern, etc. Many of the iconic holders of these mantles have lost them at some point for extended periods of time with new characters being the contemporary versions. This isn't the same thing as Bruce Wayne or Steve Rogers letting someone else be Batman or Captain America, as those are not mantles they inherited but created themselves.

Does Iron Fist even have many iconic holders? Its just been Danny for the entirety of the characters history. Sure there have been other IF's but they are all predecessor's from before Danny's time, most of whom only just get a one-shot expanding on the character's history. Otherwise though the main Iron Fist especially in media has always been Danny. Even the whole thing with the new Iron Fist is very recent and is born entirely out of Marvel over-correcting the poor reception from the IF tv show by downplaying Danny.

Ghost Rider is another case of there just being a couple holders and even then it tends to always goes back to the OG Johnny Blaze in the end with him being the star of the current GR ongoing.

[KingNomarch]

After Danny I think there has only been 2 and they're both pretty new. Lin Lie, he debuted back in 2018 I think but he has only recently been made Iron Fist and then there’s Pei who also used other names other than Iron Fist. I'm not sure where she is now. She may have been in the recent IF mini where Okoye temporarily held the IF powers but she never "officially " held the title or headlined a IF solo.

[Ezyo1000]

What a lot of folks seem to aggressively and conveniently forget is that T'Chaka and ESPECIALLY T'Challa are (or used to be) UNIQUE in the history of WAKANDA. Father and son are both looking out at the larger world and realizing Wakanda needs to be part of it. T'Chaka was the slow walk, trying to ease things along. T'Challa is the CANNON, forcing his people and the world together, not out of personal desire but out of necessity. Their days of hiding are over as a matter of survival.

Prior to this father and son, the Black Panther mantle-holders were, essentially, interchangeable. Wakanda was a stable, utopian hermit kingdom. So, while every Panther is a badass fighter, NOT every Panther is a scientific genius (T'Challa) and ZERO Panthers were trying to re-connect Wakanda to the outside world (T'Chaka and T'Challa).

Whatever "political strife" occurred in Wakanda did so and was handled thousands of years ago. Wakandan society is an example of how all human society should be. Or, rather, it was that. Now there are rape camps and misogyny, among many other ills. A generation of writers and editors desired to have Wakanda reflect many of the modern and traditional realities of real African nations.

This was and remains a mistake. Not only because super-hero comics are the antithesis of "realism" but because, even within the fictional universe, zero of those ills have ever touched Wakanda. It couldn't have survived as long as it did if they had. No chance. So, we're talking about selective realism and that's just as corruptive.

What you want is naturalism (the character(s) feel like believable people) and plausibility (yeah, in the context of this universe, THAT could happen) in super-hero comics. never actual realism.

The editorial choices that have taken the character and the nation away from their foundation have ultimately gutted their uniqueness and importance.

After all, we don't tell the stories of how everything was perfect for ten thousand years. We tell the story of change and the upheaval that brings.We tell the story of NOW. Right now. Super-hero comics are always NOW. There's no beginning and no end. These aren't actually stories but extended vignettes.

This is the difference between corporate thinking– which is ultimately to sell as much of the product to as many people as they can by basically any means– and good storytelling.

The Black Panther is Wakanda. Wakanda is forever.

IMO, of course.

If only we had a writer who could do all of this, someone who understands and respects the character. Someone with a proven track record of successful takes on the character...

[Ekie]

What a lot of folks seem to aggressively and conveniently forget is that T'Chaka and ESPECIALLY T'Challa are (or used to be) UNIQUE in the history of WAKANDA. Father and son are both looking out at the larger world and realizing Wakanda needs to be part of it. T'Chaka was the slow walk, trying to ease things along. T'Challa is the CANNON, forcing his people and the world together, not out of personal desire but out of necessity. Their days of hiding are over as a matter of survival.

Prior to this father and son, the Black Panther mantle-holders were, essentially, interchangeable. Wakanda was a stable, utopian hermit kingdom. So, while every Panther is a badass fighter, NOT every Panther is a scientific genius (T'Challa) and ZERO Panthers were trying to re-connect Wakanda to the outside world (T'Chaka and T'Challa).

Whatever "political strife" occurred in Wakanda did so and was handled thousands of years ago. Wakandan society is an example of how all human society should be. Or, rather, it was that. Now there are rape camps and misogyny, among many other ills. A generation of writers and editors desired to have Wakanda reflect many of the modern and traditional realities of real African nations.

This was and remains a mistake. Not only because super-hero comics are the antithesis of "realism" but because, even within the fictional universe, zero of those ills have ever touched Wakanda. It couldn't have survived as long as it did if they had. No chance. So, we're talking about selective realism and that's just as corruptive.

What you want is naturalism (the character(s) feel like believable people) and plausibility (yeah, in the context of this universe, THAT could happen) in super-hero comics. never actual realism.

The editorial choices that have taken the character and the nation away from their foundation have ultimately gutted their uniqueness and importance.

After all, we don't tell the stories of how everything was perfect for ten thousand years. We tell the story of change and the upheaval that brings.We tell the story of NOW. Right now. Super-hero comics are always NOW. There's no beginning and no end. These aren't actually stories but extended vignettes.

This is the difference between corporate thinking– which is ultimately to sell as much of the product to as many people as they can by basically any means– and good storytelling.

The Black Panther is Wakanda. Wakanda is forever.

IMO, of course.

Perfectly stated.

And if a "creator" doesn't understand this then they really have no business working with the IP.
There are other spaces to tell stories about African American pain and social politics.