YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Ezyo1000]

I think the problem is that Coogler wasn't given anytime to grieve at all and Moore in his infinite wisdom agreed to just completely be on board with no recast. They should of not made any decisions on the Recast. A billion dollar Solo movie should not be able to so easily discard it's franchise lead

[BlackClaw]

I think the problem is that Coogler wasn't given anytime to grieve at all and Moore in his infinite wisdom agreed to just completely be on board with no recast. They should of not made any decisions on the Recast. A billion dollar Solo movie should not be able to so easily discard it's franchise lead

All of this. I mean damn, I understand not wanting to immediately recast but was it really that hard to just set the movie during the blip? They could’ve bought themselves time with that decision.

[skyvolt2000]

And probably without Coogler. I don't see him ever agreeing to a recast T'Challa as long as he's directing the installments.

BYE and he can take anyone who has an issue with it.

Hopefully without, Id like someone who likes and understands the character and franchise rather than just a good social commentary black movie,

And whose to say you couldn't give someone their first shot....

Like a certain someone who has already written BP and has producer credits and is only missing a director credit...

He posts here sometimes.


And we got plenty of black directors out there and some already working at ABC.

Heck they got one in the cast in Bassett.

[Ekie]

BYE and he can take anyone who has an issue with it.



And whose to say you couldn't give someone their first shot....

Like a certain someone who has already written BP and has producer credits and is only missing a director credit...

He posts here sometimes.


And we got plenty of black directors out there and some already working at ABC.

Heck they got one in the cast in Bassett.

That's what I wish. Let comic writers (talented ones) write the stories and let the directors direct and handle the production side of things. Not just for black panther but for all comic book movies. Animation and movies seem to be a lot better when written by actual knowledgeable people from The Medium. As entertaining as some comic book movies are they could be a lot better if they were handled by actual comic book people and not Hollywood

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Ezyo and BlackClaw are right.

Ekie going way overboard with Sky on this one.

Comics and films are two different mediums. No way in hell do you want a comic writer doing a FILM script. So much gets lost in that medium. Now to be fair Hudlin has experience in both. Although I'd argue his visual language isn't quite on par for such a mega picture (if he's trying to direct as well)

People were grieving and made an irrational decision. Thats it.

First film was a great setup and we were going to get KING T'CHALLA in the 2nd film if not for a tragedy. Not going to ish on these people like they arent super talented.

[Huntsman Spider]

On a somewhat more positive note, we made it to 200 pages. Congratulations to everyone here at The Black Panther Appreciation Thread! Our mouths to Bast's ears!

[Ekie]

Ezyo and BlackClaw are right.

Ekie going way overboard with Sky on this one.

Comics and films are two different mediums. No way in hell do you want a comic writer doing a FILM script. So much gets lost in that medium. Now to be fair Hudlin has experience in both. Although I'd argue his visual language isn't quite on par for such a mega picture (if he's trying to direct as well)

People were grieving and made an irrational decision. Thats it.

First film was a great setup and we were going to get KING T'CHALLA in the 2nd film if not for a tragedy. Not going to ish on these people like they arent super talented.

Talent has nothing to do with it. Knowledge and respect for the source does. Ryan has the former in spades but zero of the latter.

The casual audiance shouldn't have to wait for a movie sequel to be shown why the titular character is absolutely essential to his very own franchise.

Check the pre 2018 interviews from him on his thoughts on who the character is. When listing what makes the BLACKPANTHER who he is Ryan states these three things

Claws, suit, royalty.


Thats it. And thats all he gave us which can be pasted onto any other character in the franchise. Nothing about T'Challa the man or BlackPanther the individual.

Captain America 1 was subpar as a movie. But since it was Captain America's introductory movie they made sure to show and tell us why Steve was the guy. Ryan (like other black intellectuals handed this beautiful franchise without prior knowledge) was hypnotized by all that blackness and gave us that with racial social commentary (sound familiar to a previous panther scribe?). The social commentary was masterfully done, the movie was a cultural movement even before release, and universally loved! What it also did was separate the name Black Panther from T'Challa and is about to cement that in the sequel. There was no " is it a mantle or is it T'Challa" debate beforehand and now its commin thought to the point this threads name had to be altered and more specified.

He is immensely talented as was Coats, but like the comics, I personally wish he would find a different project and let someone else who actually cares showcase our hero properly.

[Ekie]

On a somewhat more positive note, we made it to 200 pages. Congratulations to everyone here at The Black Panther Appreciation Thread! Our mouths to Bast's ears!

All hail the King
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[Vic Vega]

Ezyo and BlackClaw are right.

Ekie going way overboard with Sky on this one.

Comics and films are two different mediums. No way in hell do you want a comic writer doing a FILM script. So much gets lost in that medium. Now to be fair Hudlin has experience in both. Although I'd argue his visual language isn't quite on par for such a mega picture (if he's trying to direct as well)

People were grieving and made an irrational decision. Thats it.

First film was a great setup and we were going to get KING T'CHALLA in the 2nd film if not for a tragedy. Not going to ish on these people like they arent super talented.

To amplify Klaue's point, they let Frank Miller one of the most talented Writer/Artists in comics write some movie scripts and that...had seriously mixed results.

The Robo Cop sequels were pretty bad, Sin City was decent, a Dame To Kill For was ok maybe and the Spirit was godawful.

But Hollywood learned better...for as much clout as Mark Millar has, he didn't write Logan or any of the Kingsman movies. The Director did mainly. And that's worked out really well for everyone.

Creators like Reg Hudlin and Allan Hienberg who had prior experience in film and TV and later on in comics would be the exceptions.

While the current MCU has talent that understands the material they are adapting, they aren't necessarily as reverent to it as fans would like. But at least they are actually talented in their field.

The alternative has already been proven to not give great results ( being as kind as possible here).

[Ezyo1000]

Really all I needed was for Coogler to NOT take away T'Challas two biggiest character traits and give them to his supporting cast

[MindofShadow]

asking for "comic writers" to be write scripts is how you get Coates scripting BP3: Return of the No One Man. Bring T'challa back just to make him a boring, ineffectual, depressed, delegator who let his country go to shit lol. You want that monkey paw?


There used to be comic creators around Marvel Studios... Feige hated them bc they were idiots and that was one of hte things dumped when he got away from Ike.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

To amplify Klaue's point, they let Frank Miller one of the most talented Writer/Artists in comics write some movie scripts and that...had seriously mixed results.

The Robo Cop sequels were pretty bad, Sin City was decent, a Dame To Kill For was ok maybe and the Spirit was godawful.

But Hollywood learned better...for as much clout as Mark Millar has, he didn't write Logan or any of the Kingsman movies. The Director did mainly. And that's worked out really well for everyone.

Creators like Reg Hudlin and Allan Hienberg who had prior experience in film and TV and later on in comics would be the exceptions.

While the current MCU has talent that understands the material they are adapting, they aren't necessarily as reverent to it as fans would like. But at least they are actually talented in their field.

The alternative has already been proven to not give great results ( being as kind as possible here).

Geoff Johns is a comics legend and he was awful with DC.

Wonder Woman was a disaster according to those close to WB, but then it got saved in the editing room. Aquaman was cool, but it was the visuals that saved that movie. Not the story.

WW84 was horrendous. The less said about Justice League 2017 (which he helped rewrite) the better.

[Ezyo1000]

asking for "comic writers" to be write scripts is how you get Coates scripting BP3: Return of the No One Man. Bring T'challa back just to make him a boring, ineffectual, depressed, delegator who let his country go to shit lol. You want that monkey paw?


There used to be comic creators around Marvel Studios... Feige hated them bc they were idiots and that was one of hte things dumped when he got away from Ike.

Yeah we don't need comic writer's, they just need Priest, Hudlin, or Redjack as consultants to help them nail down T'Challas character traits

[Hellscream]

What about Kevin Grevioux? He has film writing credit and comic book. Yes, I Frankenstein was bad. But he started an original franchise.

[skyvolt2000]

Ezyo and BlackClaw are right.

Ekie going way overboard with Sky on this one.

Comics and films are two different mediums. No way in hell do you want a comic writer doing a FILM script. So much gets lost in that medium. Now to be fair Hudlin has experience in both. Although I'd argue his visual language isn't quite on par for such a mega picture (if he's trying to direct as well)

I guess Dwyane MCDuffie did NOTHING. Other than an entire comic book company and 4-5 cartoon shows.

I believe they would understand that a comic and movie or show are different mediums.

J. Michael Straczynski seems to understand that. Along with the folks doing IDW Star Trek books and everyone else doing both mediums.

Geoff Johns is a comics legend and he was awful with DC.

Well there are a lot of folks over at DC that would welcome him back if it getting certain characters back on top if it means getting rid of certain writers.