YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

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Has Gay actually written anything for the character since her WoW ongoing got cancelled?

Just saying its kinda funny hearing her speak for a character when her tenure with the franchise is simply writing a 5-issue periphery spin-off title that got cancelled before it even hit 5 issues because of extremally low sales.

Man its crazy how spin-offs do not do well here.

The thing is most of the spin-offs aren't good.

Some of these guys are accomplished writers but their writing simply does not translate well into comics. Gay, Coates and Ridley (at Marvel because "I am Batman" has been fire) are all very successful but their work at Marvel hasn't worked for whatever reason.

[Ezyo1000]

I don't think the Joker is a very good example.The joker was recasted when the Dark knight trilogy was done.The MCU is still going.Its not the same thing.

Better examples are Dumbledore and Spartacus. Both were the franchise holders/ major supporting characters that NEEDED to continue, and funny enough Spartacus, like BP could be argued that it's a mantle,yet they Recast the character because it was important. I kinda wish they stayed with Stan and Kirbys original origin that T'Challa created it to kill Klaw and was the first and only BP.

[Ekie]

Slave mentality. Some ninjas...really make my blood boil. Why do some of our people behave like this? Absolute shitheads.

Crabs in a barrel mentality is why.
If this franchise didn't have the success that it had after finally getting a movie Green lit these people would have continued to ignore it. But now that it had it they want to push whatever new agenda, male or female, on to the franchise that they find interest in.
All these OC's and the mantle worship is just a vehicle to that end

[Ekie]

I don't think the Joker is a very good example.The joker was recasted when the Dark knight trilogy was done.The MCU is still going.Its not the same thing.

The MCU will still be going in another 20 years so the example is okay since they don't plan on ending their franchises after a trilogy. With no end in sight those rules no longer apply

[Mantis-Ray]

The thing is most of the spin-offs aren't good.

Some of these guys are accomplished writers but their writing simply does not translate well into comics. Gay, Coates and Ridley (at Marvel because "I am Batman" has been fire) are all very successful but their work at Marvel hasn't worked for whatever reason.

Thinking about it, I can't help but wonder if they are just hiring the wrong type of writers. They should probably hire more fiction and genre writers. Like DC hired N. K. Jemisin who is largely a fantasy and science fiction author to write the Far Sector Green Lantern comic and from what I hear its incredibly fun.

Of course the issue could be just that the overall direction is terrible and no writer can really make it work. Far Sector wasn't about tearing down Hal Jordan or the Green Lantern Corps as a whole, it was basically this new GL Jo Mullein having this incredible adventure in this alien city. Jemison had fun with the setting, which you can't really say about the BP series.

[Mantis-Ray]

Also that Superman movie produced by JJ Abrams and being written by Ta-Nehisi Coates is still in development.

So if anyone wants to see Coates **** Superman like with BP, we might have that chance.........

[Vordan]

The thing is most of the spin-offs aren't good.

Some of these guys are accomplished writers but their writing simply does not translate well into comics. Gay, Coates and Ridley (at Marvel because "I am Batman" has been fire) are all very successful but their work at Marvel hasn't worked for whatever reason.

With Ridley I still think that a lot it is on editorial. Editorial wants to keep emphasizing what a fuckup T’Challa is and also wants to synergize with the upcoming movie.

Also that Superman movie produced by JJ Abrams and being written by Ta-Nehisi Coates is still in development.

So if anyone wants to see Coates **** Superman like with BP, we might have that chance.........

They haven’t gotten their new DC head yet. Once Hamada is out and the new head is in, we’ll see what happens. Personally I think Abrams is going to be gone soon. Zaslav doesn’t **** around and doesn’t seem interested in anything but safe blockbusters.

[Ezyo1000]

Thinking about it, I can't help but wonder if they are just hiring the wrong type of writers. They should probably hire more fiction and genre writers. Like DC hired N. K. Jemisin who is largely a fantasy and science fiction author to write the Far Sector Green Lantern comic and from what I hear its incredibly fun.

Of course the issue could be just that the overall direction is terrible and no writer can really make it work. Far Sector wasn't about tearing down Hal Jordan or the Green Lantern Corps as a whole, it was basically this new GL Jo Mullein having this incredible adventure in this alien city. Jemison had fun with the setting, which you can't really say about the BP series.

they literally hire people who don't like T'Challa. That there problem. Narcisse did a half decent Job on Rise, then with that M'Baku one shot he chumps T'Challa for Storm. Literally all they have to do is hire someone who likes T'Challa and wants to elevate him the story will find a way to be decent

[BlackClaw]

[Mantis-Ray]

they literally hire people who don't like T'Challa. That there problem. Narcisse did a half decent Job on Rise, then with that M'Baku one shot he chumps T'Challa for Storm. Literally all they have to do is hire someone who likes T'Challa and wants to elevate him the story will find a way to be decent

Considering editorials recent statements on Spider-Man being marriage once again brings up the insane belief that "making him married makes him unrelatable", yeah I can see editorial is the main problem.

Though unlike Spider-Man where it stems to a bizarre obsession with keeping him "youthful", BP suffers from editorials performative attempts at trying to appear "progressive".

Its really not a good time for either character, they should crossover.

[BlackClaw]

Considering editorials recent statements on Spider-Man being marriage once again brings up the insane belief that "making him married makes him unrelatable", yeah I can see editorial is the main problem.

Though unlike Spider-Man where it stems to a bizarre obsession with keeping him "youthful", BP suffers from editorials performative attempts at trying to appear "progressive".

Its really not a good time for either character, they should crossover.

The funny thing is they can appear progressive if they just simply use villains to commentate on oppressive leaders and patriarchy instead of shitting on T’Challa to do it. Because that way they can show how much better and progressive of a leader T’Challa is in compared to the antagonist.

[Mantis-Ray]

The funny thing is they can appear progressive if they just simply use villains to commentate on oppressive leaders and patriarchy instead of shitting on T’Challa to do it. Because that way they can show how much better and progressive of a leader T’Challa is in compared to the antagonist.

I think it stems from an issue with authority figures in general. Like Batman gets **** on a lot called a "fascist" or a "cop lover" cause he's kind of THE authority figure who enacts a degree of control.

Or look at how characters in leadership positions tend to be villainized, Professor X keeps being written as a controlling ******* no better than Magneto cause he's no different or Cyclops whose the leader who is treated as a stick in the mud hardass and at one point called Hitler in the last decade.

Meanwhile Wolverine who is a "rebel" is basically valorized for it and treated as the better option cause he's going against "the man", the man in this case being Cyclops.

It be like if someone took the Green Lantern Corps and changed into a direct allegory for the US police system. It makes no sense but it stems from the idea that every sort of peacekeeping organization in fiction has to be compared to the cops in some way for no other reason than people hate cops.

[Agent Z]

I think it stems from an issue with authority figures in general. Like Batman gets **** on a lot called a "fascist" or a "cop lover" cause he's kind of THE authority figure who enacts a degree of control.

Or look at how characters in leadership positions tend to be villainized, Professor X keeps being written as a controlling ******* no better than Magneto cause he's no different or Cyclops whose the leader who is treated as a stick in the mud hardass and at one point called Hitler in the last decade.

Meanwhile Wolverine who is a "rebel" is basically valorized for it and treated as the better option cause he's going against "the man", the man in this case being Cyclops.

It be like if someone took the Green Lantern Corps and changed into a direct allegory for the US police system. It makes no sense but it stems from the idea that every sort of peacekeeping organization in fiction has to be compared to the cops in some way for no other reason than people hate cops.

It should be noted that superheroes, for good or ill, are anti-authority by premise. If authority figures are good and reliable, there is no reason for superheroes to exist. Which leads to a tricky situation where the heroes are the authority figures.

Even the GLC has been occasionally written the way you describe.

[Ezyo1000]

Considering editorials recent statements on Spider-Man being marriage once again brings up the insane belief that "making him married makes him unrelatable", yeah I can see editorial is the main problem.

Though unlike Spider-Man where it stems to a bizarre obsession with keeping him "youthful", BP suffers from editorials performative attempts at trying to appear "progressive".

Its really not a good time for either character, they should crossover.

The thing is, BP was already progressive before rally these BS changes. The franchise always treated women with respect and shown them as equals, they had a gay couple waaaaay back in the 70s, and T'Challa was all about helping the world and we saw him helping Black communities.

Now they are pretending to be progressive at the expense of T'Challa. Now Shuri, and whatever new OC pet characters are the "progressive" characters and T'Challa is stuck in conservative views.

Even though that has never been the case and what made T'Challa and his relationship to Wakanda so interesting is that he had to drag Wakanda, the technologically advanced nation to more progressive views kicking and screaming and how he balanced all of that while still adhering to traditions and protecting the world...

Spidermans issue is that they want him to stay youthful so they don't him to grow up, T'Challa is literally being changed into something he never was so that OCs can isht talk him and ruin the franchise and offer NOTHING in return

[Overhazard]

The thing is, BP was already progressive before rally these BS changes. The franchise always treated women with respect and shown them as equals, they had a gay couple waaaaay back in the 70s, and T'Challa was all about helping the world and we saw him helping Black communities.

Now they are pretending to be progressive at the expense of T'Challa. Now Shuri, and whatever new OC pet characters are the "progressive" characters and T'Challa is stuck in conservative views.

Even though that has never been the case and what made T'Challa and his relationship to Wakanda so interesting is that he had to drag Wakanda, the technologically advanced nation to more progressive views kicking and screaming and how he balanced all of that while still adhering to traditions and protecting the world...

Spidermans issue is that they want him to stay youthful so they don't him to grow up, T'Challa is literally being changed into something he never was so that OCs can isht talk him and ruin the franchise and offer NOTHING in return

It seems like the problem modern writers have with T'Challa is a combination of presentism and ignorance. Presentism is taking present day cultural mores and applying them to the past they think they're fixing problems that were never really there, I also imagine that most of what they know about BP is from the movie and wikipedia. They don't know (or care) about T'Challa as a character, they just need him to cut their teeth in the industry like coates, or to put in their own pet characters that no one will care about five years from now.

I also wish they'd let Pete grow up. I don't understand how being a perpetual bumbling idiot manchild is more relatable than being married and starting a family.