YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[BlackClaw]

T'Child isn't being aged up but even if he will what are they going to do with Shuri? The optics will be bad either way.



Yep. At the end of the day they'll have to be okay with their short-sightedness.

Optics. Lol. Just make Shuri the BP for the multiverse saga, and when you age up Junior either have him and Shuri share the mantle or have Shuri become the Griot. Bam easy fix. I really think y’all are overestimating the whole optics thing.

[Ezyo1000]

T'Child isn't being aged up but even if he will what are they going to do with Shuri? The optics will be bad either way.



Yep. At the end of the day they'll have to be okay with their short-sightedness.

Have them both be BP, ya know, like in the comics every Johnny come lately loved to spout as to why Shuri made sense as BP

[BlackClaw]

Have them both be BP, ya know, like in the comics every Johnny come lately loved to spout as to why Shuri made sense as BP

And then ease Shuri into her Griot identity via a Disney plus presentation and T’Junior is the BP for the remainder of the MCU. You’re welcome.

[Tofali]

We agree there that Shuri remains the BP during the multiverse saga and beyond that to be honest I don't know why I'm even engaging in this conversation because I don't care about that child lol!

[skyvolt2000]

Looking at the latest BO reports WF’s total BO might end up being equal to or less than BP’s domestic BO if it can somehow make an extra 20+ million. A 78% drop since thanksgiving at the US BO. Then lose even more money once Avatar drops in 2 weeks. So it could be potentially make somewhere between 600 and 700 million less than BP.

And what folks forget while they sneak in here to lecture and troll is the number of showings these films get.

When I mentioned showing of this movie are stopping at least where I live-I was told I was wrong.
Well it seems like I am NOT wrong as showings are being cut.

It wasn't December 6 but the 7th. December 8 only has 9 showings at 3 locations and NONE are in the black community or a mall.
Strange World has 12 at 5 locations.

Looks like Disney is getting ready for Avatar 2 a bit early. Which makes no sense because there are 7 days still out there.
So it got 6 days if other theaters are going through what mine are with the movie.

T'Child isn't being aged up but even if he will what are they going to do with Shuri? The optics will be bad either way.

The bad optics was releasing everything T'Challa before releasing Wakanda Forever stuff.

It’s also on Feige for thinking he can feed an audience what HE wants and they’ll just eat it up. The AUDIENCE decides who the stars are.

Well he will think that when he as seen others and even he has gotten away with it.

Fiege sat up and took a collection of guys-Carol, GOTG, T'Challa, Ms Marvel, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Scarlet Witch and others who do not have over 300+ solo books or have been shoved in our faces or had A list talent and made tons of money with them.

This right here is a huge case of not thinking big picture.

Nothing is wrong with Shuri in that suit. It's thinking she can be it long term is the issue. Especially when she is a better seller as herself (outside of comics).

Set this during the blip-let her be BP. T'Challa returns in BP 3 and OPEN the door for a solo Shuri movie as herself. Now you have 2 movies instead of 1.

[Mantis-Ray]

It looks too similar to Killmonger's habit, IMO.

Edit: Wait I confused the suits they were talking about.

[Tofali]

The MCU Killmonger Black Panther suit looked Leopard inspired with stripes of gold. Thinking about it now with each BP movie there is a new Panther.

[Mantis-Ray]

The MCU Killmonger Black Panther suit looked Leopard inspired with stripes of gold. Thinking about it now with each BP movie there is a new Panther.

Oh the movie suit, I completely forgot about that

[Nate Grey]

Huh does it?

Let me look up his habit.

Not identical but puts me in mind of it with the gold.

[Mantis-Ray]

Not identical but puts me in mind of it with the gold.

Ahhhhhhh, thanks for putting up an image

Yeah I can see the similarities since they both have a gold theme though Shuri's habit is astonishingly way more complex

I can see Black Panther is one of those costumes that works best when its relatively simple and if you try to add too much detail and armor pieces it winds up an ugly mess like the Flash post New 52 and in the upcoming Suicide Squad game

[BlackClaw]

And what folks forget while they sneak in here to lecture and troll is the number of showings these films get.

When I mentioned showing of this movie are stopping at least where I live-I was told I was wrong.
Well it seems like I am NOT wrong as showings are being cut.

It wasn't December 6 but the 7th. December 8 only has 9 showings at 3 locations and NONE are in the black community or a mall.
Strange World has 12 at 5 locations.

Looks like Disney is getting ready for Avatar 2 a bit early. Which makes no sense because there are 7 days still out there.
So it got 6 days if other theaters are going through what mine are with the movie.




The bad optics was releasing everything T'Challa before releasing Wakanda Forever stuff.




Well he will think that when he as seen others and even he has gotten away with it.

Fiege sat up and took a collection of guys-Carol, GOTG, T'Challa, Ms Marvel, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Scarlet Witch and others who do not have over 300+ solo books or have been shoved in our faces or had A list talent and made tons of money with them.

This right here is a huge case of not thinking big picture.

Nothing is wrong with Shuri in that suit. It's thinking she can be it long term is the issue. Especially when she is a better seller as herself (outside of comics).

Set this during the blip-let her be BP. T'Challa returns in BP 3 and OPEN the door for a solo Shuri movie as herself. Now you have 2 movies instead of 1.

Also here’s another factor, how are the merchandise sales for this movie doing?

[skyvolt2000]

Also here’s another factor, how are the merchandise sales for this movie doing?

Other than that Marvel Legends Riri figure and the Okeye doll-I am not seeing that stuff moving as fast as it did with the first movie or some of the Legend of BP toys that came out before the movie.

Also I suspect there is merch made that has not been placed at every store.

So if it's not doing well in sales-it's not a shock to me-because we are talking about a female lead movie. You are trying to sale products that are female centric to everyone. Including toys.
That is NOT going work with boys no matter how many times you put them in ads with dolls or figures.

Wonder Woman and Cap Marvel had the same issues. Along with the WWE Divas-whose figures forever shelf warm.

Also they waited too long to toss out that stuff. Because there is too much competition.

Into the Spiderverse 2 toys are already on the shelf and that stuff seems to be selling.

Black Adam is still on shelves and new Mafarlane figures are coming.

Power Rangers, He-Man, TMNT and Transformers got some new stuff.

[Ekie]

We agree there that Shuri remains the BP during the multiverse saga and beyond that to be honest I don't know why I'm even engaging in this conversation because I don't care about that child lol!

The ppl that would complain are the ppl that will settle for anything they do and still see it because of race. Shuri could be M.I.A in the next film and it would have an effect on sales.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

It looks too similar to Killmonger's habit, IMO.

The MCU Killmonger Black Panther suit looked Leopard inspired with stripes of gold. Thinking about it now with each BP movie there is a new Panther.

There is an in story reason why its similar to Killmongers..



Other concept art

[Klaue's Mixtape]

Looking at the latest BO reports WF’s total BO might end up being equal to or less than BP’s domestic BO if it can somehow make an extra 20+ million. A 78% drop since thanksgiving at the US BO. Then lose even more money once Avatar drops in 2 weeks. So it could be potentially make somewhere between 600 and 700 million less than BP.

With a $250 million budget and a $100 million marketing campaign, this movie will just barely break even. Unless the 100 million was already part of the 250. Either way not much profit compared to the first. I wasn’t praying on this movie’s downfall and didn’t care about how much it made but I do get a little satisfaction at this. Expected it to make a billion or close to it honestly.



They already shot themselves in the foot for choosing to permanently kill him off instead delaying to grieve and the. recasting or setting it during the Blip. History has shown us in multiple mediums now that doing BP without T’Challa doesn’t work, he is the franchise. Shoehorning in Namor and Riri didn’t do them any favors. So either age Jr up and see how well another “T’Challa” led movie does or stick with Shuri. The way Nate Moore spoke in his interview with E-Man they might stick with her for a while. Then again Disney cares about money, using Chadwick’s death to sell it did it make them as much as they thought.

From what I hear this movie for all intents and purposes is better than L&T and MoM but will make much less than both.

Hats off for Ezyo. I believe he was the one that said that the movie was going to make in the $700 million range long before it released.

Thinking back on it it should have been clear the movie would have had a dip. It was probably going to dip with T'Challa returning as well.

No Avengers film after
Long run time
Certain caucasian audiences checked out on this storytelling (Colonization politics over just superhero escapism)

Then add in mid 80s RT score (in a year of other disappointing scores)
Marvel fatigue
No China box office
Covid has got some black people never going to theaters. Let alone in a crowded room for 3 hrs.

I'll say it again as I said it before. Marvel was banking on Dr. Strange being a 1.3 billion dollar movie. Thor being a billion dollar (longest remaining avenger, etc) movie. Its why they were in no rush to recast cause they had other sure fire hits lined up.

If they knew what reception they'd get for other movies they would hav recast. Still...it probably barely cracks a billion with T'Challa. The first film was truly dependent on US audiences making a cultural hit.