YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Ekie]

Black character makes 1.3 billion and starts inspiring and suddenly it's all about the setting and the costume now lol

[CaptainUniverse]

How...is Wakanda the real character? Wakanda isn't alive like Ego or Krakoa. Any "personality" traits it displays comes from the actual characters who built it and live there.

[Username taken]

That whole "Wakanda is the real character" talk is rubbish.

It's also borderline problematic.

[CaptainUniverse]

That whole "Wakanda is the real character" talk is rubbish.

It's also borderline problematic.

It's such a weird direction for anyone to go in because it invalidates the existence of everyone who lives there and makes a lifeless hunk of rock the main character.

[Ekie]

How...is Wakanda the real character? Wakanda isn't alive like Ego or Krakoa. Any "personality" traits it displays comes from the actual characters who built it and live there.

Because of race.
"Representation" may as well be a synonym for Wakanda. The characters matter but only because of the Representation they bring. There are a segment of semi famous ppl that likely believe T'Challa overshadows everything there and want him removed in the name of more Representation.

Roxanne Gay's (un-requested) nyt op ed about #RecastTChalla really says as much

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html


"We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more."

The "burden of representation" as she calls it

[CaptainUniverse]

Because of race.
"Representation" may as well be a synonym for Wakanda. The characters matter but only because of the Representation they bring. There are a segment of semi famous ppl that likely believe T'Challa overshadows everything there and want him removed in the name of more Representation.

Roxanne Gay's (un-requested) nyt op ed about #RecastTChalla really says as much

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html


"We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more."

The "burden of representation" as she calls it

But that makes no sense, T'Challa is the protagonist of the series, he IS the Black Panther. So...how would any of this work if you outright remove him? How would they go about it? Because, knowing Marvel, they would probably remove T'Challa using this guy:

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And I am certain none of us want that to happen...again.

[Ekie]

No it doesn't make sense to anyone with any real Comics knowledge or knowledge about how these franchises are built up over time. But the people currently being given control since coats aren't in it for the love of comics or the love of the character. They are here for the popularity it has and the exposure it brings them and whatever ideas/messages they want to promote.

Essentially an already popularized dumping ground for all their pet characters and ideas they can't sell otherwise.

[CaptainUniverse]

No it doesn't make sense to anyone with any real Comics knowledge or knowledge about how these franchises are built up over time. But the people currently being given control since coats aren't in it for the love of comics or the love of the character. They are here for the popularity it has and the exposure it bring them and whatever ideas/messages they want to promote.

If that is the case, then they don't deserve to work on any of these titles, because its just a stepping stone for them. A way for them to say "I want to thank all the little people I stepped on to get here tonight" when they get their Oscar or whatever it is they are after.

[DigiCom]

If that is the case, then they don't deserve to work on any of these titles, because its just a stepping stone for them. A way for them to say "I want to thank all the little people I stepped on to get here tonight" when they get their Oscar or whatever it is they are after.

Always remember:

“Be careful who you step on on the way up, as you will likely meet them again on the way back down.”

[CaptainUniverse]

Always remember:

“Be careful who you step on on the way up, as you will likely meet them again on the way back down.”

I like that, that's a good saying. Saving that one for later.

[DigiCom]

I like that, that's a good saying. Saving that one for later.

Feel free. There are several variations, some more scatological than others.

[Mantis-Ray]

No it doesn't make sense to anyone with any real Comics knowledge or knowledge about how these franchises are built up over time. But the people currently being given control since coats aren't in it for the love of comics or the love of the character. They are here for the popularity it has and the exposure it brings them and whatever ideas/messages they want to promote.

Essentially an already popularized dumping ground for all their pet characters and ideas they can't sell otherwise.

There is such a horrible bizarreness, that in the process of representation they are tearing down an important character to act as a foundation for other characters.

Its like going to Wonder Woman and saying "We need more female characters" while throwing away Diana the character who started this all in the first place. Its fucking disrespectful.

Like we aren't talking about out of use Golden Age characters like the original Mister Terrific, but characters that still widely in play. Its a huge waste and just suicidally bad business making. This is how series die you know, you get rid of the original guy people like and them force replacements that the audience won't like at all.

Because of race.
"Representation" may as well be a synonym for Wakanda. The characters matter but only because of the Representation they bring. There are a segment of semi famous ppl that likely believe T'Challa overshadows everything there and want him removed in the name of more Representation.

Roxanne Gay's (un-requested) nyt op ed about #RecastTChalla really says as much

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html


"We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more."

The "burden of representation" as she calls it

And yet her comic did poorly and the characters she tried to promote are nothing more than background characters now.........

[Darkspellmaster]

So on the so looks like they're trying for an Oscar nod. Can't see Best Picture but Angela Bassett getting the nod would be nice.

Also, im still surprised they didn't go with Kasper as a Temporary BP and have him work with Shuri or protecting Riri.

[Agent Z]

That whole "Wakanda is the real character" talk is rubbish.

It's also borderline problematic.

How do you mean?

[Baseman]

So on the so looks like they're trying for an Oscar nod. Can't see Best Picture but Angela Bassett getting the nod would be nice.

Also, im still surprised they didn't go with Kasper as a Temporary BP and have him work with Shuri or protecting Riri.

That wouldn't have gone over well and Disney knows that.

They got away with not recasting because Chads death was a unforseen circumstance,the crew backed the decision and because it was a opportunity to give black women that spotlight.Introducing Kasper would have erased that good will.