YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Ezyo1000]

Chadwick Bossn had done w lot of movies before Black Panther. Leticia Wright? Who even heard of her? They should have either recast T’Challa OR resurrected Kilmonger. to make him the Black Panther again. I feel Black Panther 2 was too early to have Shuri be the Black Panther. I don’t think it will do nearly as well at the box office.

Kilmonger, like M'Baku, Okoye, or Nakia, don't make sense to be BP. Shuri currently doesn't either, but makes more sense.

Erik is not a hero, and the fact people keep trying to push for homicidal Erik to be the face of the franchise is just as ridiculous as the others listed. He is not a hero nor should he ever be treated as such

[Ezyo1000]

So to paraphrase, the role is just too great for someone else to play. Just plain BS.

To clarify really, they are saying the role of franchise holder is too great for a black male, but not a black female. Let's be completely honest. That's why they keep saying the Recast movement is against Black females taking the mantle.

[Dariel81]

Being ranked in the Top 75 means Ridley is here to stay..
Black Panther solo title being cancelled is not a good look And ammo for a lot of Tchalla haters.

[Ezyo1000]

Nah we can keep Shuri. The problem is that writers won’t give her a lane of her own. If it were up to me I’d just turn her into the Nightwing of the franchise and have her lane be magic with the whole Griot thing. That way it stops her from being a parasite. Have Okoye be the head Dora, bring back Kasper and have him be the face of the HZ, have either NuNakia or a revamped Monica Lynne be the queen and mother of T’Challas kid, throw in a pet for T’Challa and we’ve got gold.

Again I wouldn’t kill off Ayo and Aneka as Marvel would get backlash for the “bury your gays” trope but I’d either put them in a limited series team book or just relegate them to the background. But as for the other pet characters introduced in Coates and Ridleys runs? They’re getting killed off. And I’d personally save the most brutal death for Tosin. Lol.

Do what Redjack did and make Shuri a alchemist. They can both slightly dip into each, but they each have their own lane.

As for Ayo and Aneka, Nah you can get rid of them. Again replace them with Taku and venom. And if people bitch or they try to make claims they can counter with "Don't use misandry to keep a gay black man and a gay Latino man down! That's racist AND misandrist! This is representation for two different demographics! How dare you!"

And watch as they show their true colors as hypocrites because it has nothing to do with wanting equal representation and just want to hijack others success it for themselves. Otherwise they would of pushed harder for Monica, Storm (since she is the most well known Black female superhero) and other woc heroe for solos.

[BlackClaw]

To clarify really, they are saying the role of franchise holder is too great for a black male, but not a black female. Let's be completely honest. That's why they keep saying the Recast movement is against Black females taking the mantle.

If those rumors are to be believed, the movie is going to end with M’Baku being the new king while Shuri is the new BP. Time will tell if they’ll turn on M’Baku post movie. Or treat the rumored T’Challa Jr. like how Jake Lloyd was treated. And Bast help them if these reports of Letitia Wright being done with Marvel post BP2 are true.

[Dariel81]

Tchalla supporting cast is fine it's The writers that well you know not that Good at writing them.

[Chesterfield]

Looks like Marvel sent one of their best T'Challa Hitman to put out an NYT attack add on the recast movement.

Roxanne Gay:
While the franchise must go on, this beloved character appears unlikely to venture into that future, even if Black Panther lives on.

In the character’s mythology, King T’Challa inherited the title of Black Panther from a line of ancestors, along with powers derived from a magical herb — so it’s logically possible that it would be passed along to someone else if T’Challa died.


Cont: unfortunately, whichever character, and actor, takes on the mantle of Black Panther next will bear the brunt of fans’ doubts, disappointment and derision — particularly if the new Black Panther will be, as some have speculated, a woman. Heaven forbid! (We’ve seen this time and again, most notably in the Star Wars franchise, where actors of color have endured unconscionable harassment for contradicting certain fans’ notions of who can be heroic in our imagined, interstellar futures.)

For the time being, the filmmakers made the best decision they could. It would be deeply unfair to expect any actor, however talented, to step into the massive shoes Mr. Boseman left behind. The new King T’Challa would forever compete with our memory of the original. The successor would be expected to somehow channel Mr. Boseman’s swagger and gravitas, to replace the irreplaceable. And when the actor who plays the new king inevitably disappointed audiences for not actually being Mr. Boseman, he would become the target of intense ire. We should not ask anyone to be placed in that line of fire.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands. Black Panther, in 2018, bore the weight of outsize fan expectations, as a groundbreaking Black superhero leading a major film. That is an unreasonable burden to place on one character, on one actor, on one film. Black people — men and boys as mentioned in the petition, but also women and girls — should have more than one superhero to enjoy and see themselves in. So should people of other races and ethnicities, cultures and identities. We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more.

Horrid arguments

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html

Slave mentality. Some ninjas...really make my blood boil. Why do some of our people behave like this? Absolute shitheads.

[Ezyo1000]

Being ranked in the Top 75 means Ridley is here to stay..
Black Panther solo title being cancelled is not a good look And ammo for a lot of Tchalla haters.

Nah, alot of people are saying the same thing about the MCU are they are about the comics. They are saying they are trying to remove/ reduce T'Challas presence and importance in the comics and highlight Ridleys shoddy work. Granted SOME are somehow thinking Coates was better, but for the most part people are realizing this isn't respect and the last 6+ years have been bad for T'Challa on the comic side

[skyvolt2000]

Being ranked in the Top 75 means Ridley is here to stay..
Black Panther solo title being cancelled is not a good look And ammo for a lot of Tchalla haters.

Depends on how Marvel looks at it.

It should be NOTED the books this one is doing better than. Excluding main Batman, Poison Ivy, Nightwing & Detective Comics-this book has beaten every other Bat title.

Axing the book would just mean a NEW volume like they did with Carol Danvers. Which you COULD get away with if you launch it in November.

[skyvolt2000]

So to paraphrase, the role is just too great for someone else to play. Just plain BS.

Yet Joker got recasted.

Along with every single member of the USS Enterprise.

Along with Dr Who. You can't talk Dr Who and NOT bring up Tom Baker or Dave Tennant or Matt Smith.

Along with James Bond.

And watch as they show their true colors as hypocrites because it has nothing to do with wanting equal representation and just want to hijack others success it for themselves. Otherwise they would of pushed harder for Monica, Storm (since she is the most well known Black female superhero) and other woc heroe for solos.

They don't want to do the WORK.

They do NOT want to fight with editors like Priest had to.
They do NOT want to fight like Milestone had to do to keep Static BLACK and not WHITE like the WB wanted.
They do NOT want to get in the face of the boss and say Lincoln Washington for a Green Lantern is going to cut it.

They want the EASY route.

Shuri in that SUIT is NOT the easy route. Hello harder battle.

They want to call the recast movement sexist. They have NOT begun to see sexism and it will NOT come from the recast crew.

[LukeCagefan]

To clarify really, they are saying the role of franchise holder is too great for a black male, but not a black female. Let's be completely honest. That's why they keep saying the Recast movement is against Black females taking the mantle.

This 1,000 times over.

[Username taken]

Looks like Marvel sent one of their best T'Challa Hitman to put out an NYT attack add on the recast movement.

Roxanne Gay:
While the franchise must go on, this beloved character appears unlikely to venture into that future, even if Black Panther lives on.

In the character’s mythology, King T’Challa inherited the title of Black Panther from a line of ancestors, along with powers derived from a magical herb — so it’s logically possible that it would be passed along to someone else if T’Challa died.


Cont: unfortunately, whichever character, and actor, takes on the mantle of Black Panther next will bear the brunt of fans’ doubts, disappointment and derision — particularly if the new Black Panther will be, as some have speculated, a woman. Heaven forbid! (We’ve seen this time and again, most notably in the Star Wars franchise, where actors of color have endured unconscionable harassment for contradicting certain fans’ notions of who can be heroic in our imagined, interstellar futures.)

For the time being, the filmmakers made the best decision they could. It would be deeply unfair to expect any actor, however talented, to step into the massive shoes Mr. Boseman left behind. The new King T’Challa would forever compete with our memory of the original. The successor would be expected to somehow channel Mr. Boseman’s swagger and gravitas, to replace the irreplaceable. And when the actor who plays the new king inevitably disappointed audiences for not actually being Mr. Boseman, he would become the target of intense ire. We should not ask anyone to be placed in that line of fire.

But the fundamental issue isn’t whether or not a role in one movie should be recast; it’s about what representation demands. Black Panther, in 2018, bore the weight of outsize fan expectations, as a groundbreaking Black superhero leading a major film. That is an unreasonable burden to place on one character, on one actor, on one film. Black people — men and boys as mentioned in the petition, but also women and girls — should have more than one superhero to enjoy and see themselves in. So should people of other races and ethnicities, cultures and identities. We should not be asking Marvel to recast T’Challa; we should be asking it to expand the roster of heroes. We have to think bigger and demand more.

Horrid arguments

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/o...n-wakanda.html

Roxanne Gay should sit her 6ft 3inch self down.

I admire her work but her opinions here are misguided and rooted in unnecessary and antagonistic third wave feminism talk. It’s not about “not wanting women to be BP”, it’s about how positive black depiction is easily erased. Gay is taking about expanding the roster of black heroes, that’s all when and good but it becomes a problem when the actors are playing these roles move on from the roles and the characters can’t be recast.

This isn’t an issue of gender and it shouldn’t be discussed in those terms. When Heath Ledger passed, there wasn’t talk of replacing the Joker with Harley Quinn, Nolan simply left out any plans he had with the Joker and many years later he was recast. If Joaquin Phoenix passed away today, do you really think that WB won’t recast the Joker??

[Baseman]

I don't think the Joker is a very good example.The joker was recasted when the Dark knight trilogy was done.The MCU is still going.Its not the same thing.

[Mantis-Ray]

Has Gay actually written anything for the character since her WoW ongoing got cancelled?

Just saying its kinda funny hearing her speak for a character when her tenure with the franchise is simply writing a 5-issue periphery spin-off title that got cancelled before it even hit 5 issues because of extremally low sales.

Man its crazy how spin-offs do not do well here.

[BlackClaw]

I don't think the Joker is a very good example.The joker was recasted when the Dark knight trilogy was done.The MCU is still going.Its not the same thing.

Best chance T’Challa has of getting recast now is a variant.