YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Ezyo1000]

Something that often gets overlooked is that T'Challa is (was) one of the very few examples in science fiction and fantasy that was not toxic. He fell into the noble negro role a bit, but is (was, thanks avx and coates) a very positive eexample for young boys. Most other black heroes co.e with some kind of negative baggage. You would think Coogler and Moore would have recognized that or have had it pointed out to them. Chadwick saw it.

Chadwick was ahead of his time, Remember he was the one who pushed for Wakandans to have African accents and not British ones, he knew how important T'Challa was to Young kids that he turned down deals that could hurt that image of T'Challa. He was 100% T'Challas point man, and now that he passed look how quickly things fall apart for T'Challa and what they are going to do in the name of honoring Chad. Seems like he was the only one at Marvel who actually cared about T'Challa

[BlackClaw]

Chadwick was ahead of his time, Remember he was the one who pushed for Wakandans to have African accents and not British ones, he knew how important T'Challa was to Young kids that he turned down deals that could hurt that image of T'Challa. He was 100% T'Challas point man, and now that he passed look how quickly things fall apart for T'Challa and what they are going to do in the name of honoring Chad. Seems like he was the only one at Marvel who actually cared about T'Challa

We also had Redjack, but unfortunately Marvel told him FOH because he didn’t give in to Feiges marching orders that he gave to other writers like Ridley and Narcisse.

[Besouro]

Wow. Yeah, Hunter was like, suuuper pro Wakandan, straight up nationalist. And he is saying Sam would make a better leader of the uncolonized nation of Wakanda? This Tochi fellow continues to showcase his complete ignorance of the BP franchise.

I'll add, there is straight up a hot job out there to try and deface T'Challa. There's an article out there about T'Challa stepping down as chairman and how it's for the best because he is borderline a dictator and all this other isht.. they are going HARD on trying to tear him down. I'm sure this is all in the name of honoring Chad.

Agreed and co-signed.

Please share the link to that article.

[MindofShadow]

That's a pretty common trope in stories and isn't unique to Coogler. Hell, it applies a large number of Marvel characters.

I think the thing is some people are expecting him to be better (for some reason).

Just because the dude is black doesn't mean he isn't hollywood lol

With the lack of T'Challa content this month I began rereading the WitBP novel and there was a line that had me laughing about Shuri not being as smart as T'Challa and how she can't grasp complex scientific concepts like he can. Widely different from her current portrayal. Today Shuri would be lecturing T'Challa on science, tech, etc.

Shuri pre MCU is simply not the same character as MCU shuri and post MCU comic shuri.

Anyone pretending they are are just in denial that their favorite character got turned into Wakandan RiRi.

It is ok to like both but they simply aren't the same characters.

Frankly, comic shuri was a shittily created character which is why they changed her completely for the MCU. She has no role, she has nothing to distinguish from T'challa. Under Hudlin's pen, she was inferior female T'challa. Her only defining moment is The Panther God telling her she sucked lol. Hudlin didn't even write T'challa/Shuri having much of a bro/lil sis dynamic.. they came more under Liss in the Kingpin of Wakanda arc and then Hickman gave Shuri more of a personality by being much more traditionalist, angry, rash queen.


Which is one of the reasons I always laugh at "give the creators their due!!!" because a lot of times.. the creator of the character sucked at writing the character lol.

[MouserGrey]

I have quietly said for many years that if Hudlin had created a cool female character for his daughter as a love interest for T'Challa instead of a sister only about half of the f@#$ery of the last decade or so would have happened. No weather chick with a poorly written breakup, probably no coma, and maybe no farming out of his traits in the MCU. Well, maybe not the last part, because I never thought they would make the movie.

[Vanguard]

We also had Redjack, but unfortunately Marvel told him FOH because he didn’t give in to Feiges marching orders that he gave to other writers like Ridley and Narcisse.

I seriously don’t like Feige. I mean genuine dislike for the guy, if he’s also the reason behind the things I dislike about Ridley’s Panther. Feige comes across as arrogant to me. And I disagree with his idea of what Black Panther should be in the MCU.

[dkrook]

I seriously don’t like Feige. I mean genuine dislike for the guy, if he’s also the reason behind the things I dislike about Ridley’s Panther. Feige comes across as arrogant to me. And I disagree with his idea of what Black Panther should be in the MCU.

Unfortunately I have come to this point about him as well. If he is gonna make hard dictates for women to be prominent in all movies, then why can he not mandate hard for a Blue Marvel, Night Thrasher and New Warriors, or any other black male heroes that would at least offset the loss of T'Challa ?

[Nate Grey]

Unfortunately I have come to this point about him as well. If he is gonna make hard dictates for women to be prominent in all movies, then why can he not mandate hard for a Blue Marvel, Night Thrasher and New Warriors, or any other black male heroes that would at least offset the loss of T'Challa ?

You know why. We all do. Also why I'm now part of the "looking at Feige sideways" crew these days.

[Vanguard]

You know why. We all do. Also why I'm now part of the "looking at Feige sideways" crew these days.

I’ll join. Can’t stand him at this point.

[Anthony W]

Unfortunately I have come to this point about him as well. If he is gonna make hard dictates for women to be prominent in all movies, then why can he not mandate hard for a Blue Marvel, Night Thrasher and New Warriors, or any other black male heroes that would at least offset the loss of T'Challa ?

Making hard dictates for woman isn't a Feige thing so much as it's a Disney thing. Disney gotta' Disney. What I find interesting is that the dictate only goes one way. No one is out there saying "Frozen makes a lot of money, but we can make more if we can attract more males" LOL

[chief12d]

We also had Redjack, but unfortunately Marvel told him FOH because he didn’t give in to Feiges marching orders that he gave to other writers like Ridley and Narcisse.

That’s not fair, Feige didn’t get control of the comic division until after Thorne already got passed over. So the blame for him not writing the solo falls to editorial. And by reading his pitch and seeing what we got with Coates I think it has less to do with movie synergy and more to do with focus on worldbuilding.

Obviously the pitch he posted probably doesn’t encompass all his ideas for the run or even the first arc, but it seems he wanted to focus on T’Challa as an adventurer while the editors wanted T’Challa in Wakanda as king. His pitch even describes T’Challa as Marvel’s Doc Savage.

T’Challa had already spent several years abroad working as a member of the New Avengers and before that the hero of Hell’s Kitchen, they probably wanted to refocus on T’Challa’s core mythos (which like it or not is Wakanda.) Which is frankly something many people wanted after years of Wakanda getting destroyed and T’Challa in self-imposed exile. Not to mention his debut in CW on the way and the fact Ultimates was already set to focus on T’Challa outside of Wakanda. It wouldn’t be really until 2018 that Marvel shifted towards putting solo T’Challa on high concept, non-Wakanda stories.

And of course Coates was by far one of the biggest names to ever get involved with Marvel so he probably would’ve got the gig no matter what his ideas were. Marvel didn’t hire him because they thought he was a fantastic fiction writer, they literally had nothing to go off of. They hired him because his status in the world outside comics lent a certain gravity to T’Challa that no one else can provide save Priest himself. He put eyes on the character in a way no other writer could. Why do you think Ridley’s run is already performing much worse than Coates was by this point?

I don’t think Feige is the big boogeyman some of y’all are making him out to be. Every report up til now has indicated he was the one that wanted to recast but Coogler refused so he dropped the issue and moved forward accordingly. He’s also relatively hands off with the comic division, he has more important things to do. It’s the comic editors chasing the non-existent MCU fans that are to blame, not him or even Coogler.

[Ekie]

I seriously don’t like Feige. I mean genuine dislike for the guy, if he’s also the reason behind the things I dislike about Ridley’s Panther. Feige comes across as arrogant to me. And I disagree with his idea of what Black Panther should be in the MCU.

He didn't start off that way but all the success and power has gone to his head. He is and acts like he is a king maker in Hollywood. When you have people telling you that you're a genius and begging to be in your movies you kind of start feeling yourself a little bit. His arrogance will inevitably be the downfall of the amcu as he continues to stray further and further away from the source material while claiming what he does is better

[BlackClaw]

A blog post I wrote on how they can introduce a variant after I saw Doctor Strange.

Feedback would be appreciated.

[Vanguard]

He didn't start off that way but all the success and power has gone to his head. He is and acts like he is a king maker in Hollywood. When you have people telling you that you're a genius and begging to be in your movies you kind of start feeling yourself a little bit. His arrogance will inevitably be the downfall of the amcu as he continues to stray further and further away from the source material while claiming what he does is better

That’s it, his ego will be the downfall of the MCU, I agree with that. You can already see things starting to shift a little.

[Vanguard]

Making hard dictates for woman isn't a Feige thing so much as it's a Disney thing. Disney gotta' Disney. What I find interesting is that the dictate only goes one way. No one is out there saying "Frozen makes a lot of money, but we can make more if we can attract more males" LOL

This is a good point too. But maybe they feel like movies have catered to men for years. I don’t necessarily agree with that, I’m more drawn to your point.