YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Anthony W]

This is a good point too. But maybe they feel like movies have catered to men for years. I don’t necessarily agree with that, I’m more drawn to your point.

This has nothing to do with some civic responsibility to even the scales and everything to do with cash. An account told them that women are more likely to latch on to male oriented franchises than males latching on to female oriented ones. That is why it's always one way.

[Vanguard]

This has nothing to do with some civic responsibility to even the scales and everything to do with cash. An account told them that women are more likely to latch on to male oriented franchises than males latching on to female oriented ones. That is why it's always one way.

But when movies with female leads bomb, that would have an affect on whether or not they do more movies with female leads. Like what happened with the movie 355 and Lupita Nyongo with all those other female leads. It’s not just about money, it’s a culture change too. Like us having the first female Vice President in history. You should know what you’re talking about before you jump out at someone with so much conviction.

[DigiCom]

Obviously the pitch he posted probably doesn’t encompass all his ideas for the run or even the first arc, but it seems he wanted to focus on T’Challa as an adventurer while the editors wanted T’Challa in Wakanda as king. His pitch even describes T’Challa as Marvel’s Doc Savage.

Which tells me that Ridley doesn't understand Doc Savage either. Instead of a (possibly BIPOC) perfect physical specimen of vast intellect who fights to improve society, we've had 5 issues of other characters casting shade on the hero for doing perfectly reasonable things and losing or drawing every encounter.

I've not read ALL of the Savage yarns, but I can't think of one where Doc is scolded for his actions while brand-new characters look good....

[Ezyo1000]

Agreed and co-signed.

Please share the link to that article.

It's really really Dumb and it's clear that the person writing the article doesn't know wtf they are talking about yet is spouting BS

https://screenrant.com/black-panther...-flaw-control/

[Vanguard]

Which tells me that Ridley doesn't understand Doc Savage either. Instead of a (possibly BIPOC) perfect physical specimen of vast intellect who fights to improve society, we've had 5 issues of other characters casting shade on the hero for doing perfectly reasonable things and losing or drawing every encounter.

I've not read ALL of the Savage yarns, but I can't think of one where Doc is scolded for his actions while brand-new characters look good....

That kind of gives me some relief that it’s not just a TChalla thing.

[Ezyo1000]

Which tells me that Ridley doesn't understand Doc Savage either. Instead of a (possibly BIPOC) perfect physical specimen of vast intellect who fights to improve society, we've had 5 issues of other characters casting shade on the hero for doing perfectly reasonable things and losing or drawing every encounter.

I've not read ALL of the Savage yarns, but I can't think of one where Doc is scolded for his actions while brand-new characters look good....

Yeah the OCs being a huge part of looking good at the expense of T'Challa is getting OLD.

[Anthony W]

But when movies with female leads bomb, that would have an affect on whether or not they do more movies with female leads.

Which is why they always want to do this with established franchises. In order to do a successful Bait and Switch you need good Bait.

Like what happened with the movie 355 and Lupita Nyongo with all those other female leads.

That wasn't an established male oriented franchise, it wasn't good bait.

ItÂ’s not just about money, itÂ’s a culture change too.
Like us having the first female Vice President in history. You should know what youÂ’re talking about before you jump out at someone with so much conviction.

It's always about money. Also I'm not jumping out at you. This is just regular talk.

[MindofShadow]

I don’t think Feige is the big boogeyman some of y’all are making him out to be. Every report up til now has indicated he was the one that wanted to recast but Coogler refused so he dropped the issue and moved forward accordingly. .

Yeah, this falls on Coogler IMO... right or wrong. I don't think it falls on Kevin here.

Unfortunately... Coogler seemed to be the "closest" to Chadwick and may have been affected the most by it... but he was also the one in control.

IF Coogler said "we recast, we have to recast for XYZ minority reasons," Kevin would have allowed it.

Instead Coogler said, "I can't do this without Chadwick" due to grief id imagine (or you can get sinister with it if you wanted but...) and Kevin wasn't going to be the one to fire Coogler because he wouldn't recast his dead friend. That would be a PR nightmare.

So they pivoted, claimed it was "off the table from the beginning" as a business decision and moved on.

And then you have to add executives who probably don't give a F either way breathing down Kevin's neck that they need a BP movie ASAP for money reasons... especially considering this was near covid when revenue dried up.

What everyone needed to do was pause everything and take 10 steps back and go, "this is too real right now, we are halting production until everyone feels better" and then see where they were at.

I mean, hell, people in this very thread have changed opinions over time based on this tragedy... and none of us are close to these people at all lol.

It is a shitty situation where you could point fingers at probably 10 different people if you wanted and it just sucks this is where we are at.

[Ezyo1000]

The blame falls on 3 people. Feige, Coogler, and Moore. Feige for not taking a step back and saying "Yo we need to give the crew some time to breath. We're were in the middle of a freaking Pandemic, there was no reason to try and push production going along.

Coogler for obvious reasons of not recasting and thinking that Chad would of wanted this. I meant I didn't know the guy but based on how he talked it was EASY to see that he was all about a growth and the Addition of Black folks and would of wanted the role Recast. Hell his brother said that. But the excuse for Coogler is he is grieving.

Moore is the other for just being a snake. Period, dude is just a snake. Didn't fight hard enough to keep Tchalla alive during IW and just seemed more than happy to decide the fate of a billion dollar franchise in MINUTES.

[BlackClaw]

The blame falls on 3 people. Feige, Coogler, and Moore. Feige for not taking a step back and saying "Yo we need to give the crew some time to breath. We're were in the middle of a freaking Pandemic, there was no reason to try and push production going along.

Coogler for obvious reasons of not recasting and thinking that Chad would of wanted this. I meant I didn't know the guy but based on how he talked it was EASY to see that he was all about a growth and the Addition of Black folks and would of wanted the role Recast. Hell his brother said that. But the excuse for Coogler is he is grieving.

Moore is the other for just being a snake. Period, dude is just a snake. Didn't fight hard enough to keep Tchalla alive during IW and just seemed more than happy to decide the fate of a billion dollar franchise in MINUTES.

Let’s not forget that Moore wanted to replace T’Challa even when Chadwick was still alive and kept telling Coogler the “it’s a mantle” bs. As critical as we’ve been of Feige and Coogler, the former tried to get a Black Panther movie made for years but couldn’t until Disney told Perlmutter to **** off. And even though the latter admitted he didn’t understand T’Challa at first he did say in interviews prior to Chadwick’s death that he wanted to explore how T’Challa operates as a king in a sequel, unfortunately grief is clouding his judgement. So Moore is the only party that I can definitely say has ill intentions.

[KingNomarch]

Chadwick being signed on for only five movies 3 of them already used and being a supporting role and 2 glorified cameos tells me that Feige and Moore didn't have any long term plans for T'Challa if 99% of his appearances were used up by the end of Phase 3 with the sequel being his final appearance.

[BlackClaw]

Chadwick being signed on for only five movies 3 of them already used and being a supporting role and 2 glorified cameos tells me that Feige and Moore didn't have any long term plans for T'Challa if 99% of his appearances were used up by the end of Phase 3 with the sequel being his final appearance.

There’s no doubt in my mind that Chadwick would’ve renegotiated if he lived. Plus the MCU completely changed up how they do contracts now, especially in the wake of the ScarJo lawsuit. Hell another reason why they don’t want to recast is probably due to them having to pay a big sum to the potential new guy.

[Frontier]

Chadwick being signed on for only five movies 3 of them already used and being a supporting role and 2 glorified cameos tells me that Feige and Moore didn't have any long term plans for T'Challa if 99% of his appearances were used up by the end of Phase 3 with the sequel being his final appearance.

I definitely don't think Feige quite realized the impact T'Challa's character (or BP in general) was going to have.

[Ezyo1000]

Chadwick being signed on for only five movies 3 of them already used and being a supporting role and 2 glorified cameos tells me that Feige and Moore didn't have any long term plans for T'Challa if 99% of his appearances were used up by the end of Phase 3 with the sequel being his final appearance.

There was an article out where Chads agent was talking about how they had created a new contract for Chad to get 20 mil ad the leading role for BP3 before he passed. So I don't think BP 2 was going to be the last movie

[DigiCom]

Tell me again that Ridley has T'Challa's best interests at heart:

Black Panther #6 Preview

The only reason I'm still active in this thread is the number of old friends still floating around. Between the mishandling in the comics and the overall disheartening news from the MCU, I'm not sure what we have left to appreciate.

(I'm sure Storm fans are happy, though...)