YIBAMBE! T’Challa: The Black Panther Appreciation 2022

[Ezyo1000]

Could have modified the story a bit, where T'challa didn't care about the implication of the spies, he just cared to save their lives because he cared about him. Show his humanity a bit.

But, like me nad chief said... Ridley's problems are story telling issues more so that some weird dislike for the character.

They are salvageable issues yes... But it just doesn't bode well for the sustainability of his time on the book if his first story had such a... Big story telling flaw that neither follows continuity of the franchise even real world applications. Had he said that to Shuri form the start "I am not concerned with the exposure of spies deployed into the world, that is the most basic of intelligence gathering. I AM concerned over the well-being of these spies, they are MY responsibility"

That would of fixed a big issue I have with the story. I don't need to see T'Challa break down over the death of an OC. I want to see his humanity shown in continuity with his personality.

Right now the "Drama" seems manufactured and fake, like the people on Twitter who look for thing's to bitch about. Put some stock behind it.

Like him setting up deals with Doom, or Kiber whom are known by the Wakandans to be enemies of the state, so then learning this truth (which would later be revealed to be part of T'Challas plan to gather Intel on stopping the production of some super weapon or another) puts them off about what other secrets he is keeping.

Something other that *Gasp* Wakanda has spies all over the world!? *Surprised Pikachu face*

It comes off like Wakandans are ignorant af. Unless that's the point, and his endgame is to show how much T'Challa does to protect Wakanda (with hopefully something more meaty in the works) and how Wakandans don't quite realize HOW MUCH they need their King and BP around

[Ezyo1000]

Yeah Hudlin did some good too, brought T'Challa and Wakanda to the big stage and forced the rest of the MU and Marvel to take him seriously.

Involved him in all types of event's interacting with the world.

Created a really good and legit friendship with Cage that I wish was expanded on.

Made a cool mini black avengers team with Cage blade Monica and voodoo.

He made the BP cartoon happen and significantly raised T'Challas profile.

He had brought a Level of swagger never seen to T'Challa

He set up arguably one of his greatest stories on SwaD

At the time, he did create the biggiest power couple to exist. I mean it's all isht now but to this day people still cosplay and know of T'Challa and Storms marriage. So he had good intentions

But I do agree, the things that were bad, were HORRIBLE. if Priest run had peaks and valleys, Hudlins had Stratospheres to Earth's core lol

[Vanguard]

I liked the new Avengers issue #54. TChalla appears in it.

[chief12d]

They are salvageable issues yes... But it just doesn't bode well for the sustainability of his time on the book if his first story had such a... Big story telling flaw that neither follows continuity of the franchise even real world applications. Had he said that to Shuri form the start "I am not concerned with the exposure of spies deployed into the world, that is the most basic of intelligence gathering. I AM concerned over the well-being of these spies, they are MY responsibility"

That would of fixed a big issue I have with the story. I don't need to see T'Challa break down over the death of an OC. I want to see his humanity shown in continuity with his personality.

Right now the "Drama" seems manufactured and fake, like the people on Twitter who look for thing's to bitch about. Put some stock behind it.

Like him setting up deals with Doom, or Kiber whom are known by the Wakandans to be enemies of the state, so then learning this truth (which would later be revealed to be part of T'Challas plan to gather Intel on stopping the production of some super weapon or another) puts them off about what other secrets he is keeping.

Something other that *Gasp* Wakanda has spies all over the world!? *Surprised Pikachu face*

It comes off like Wakandans are ignorant af. Unless that's the point, and his endgame is to show how much T'Challa does to protect Wakanda (with hopefully something more meaty in the works) and how Wakandans don't quite realize HOW MUCH they need their King and BP around

Yea manufactured is a good way to describe how things are going. Like Ridley's whole thing about highlighting brotherhood among men of color was a strong and much needed point but the way it's reflected on panel is weird.

He wants to focus on T'Challa's friendships but none of his friends are in the book lol. Jhai was an OC introduced 3 issues ago who never shared a single conversation w/ T'Challa, yet he's a major factor behind T'Challa's mentality right now. Gentle is an X-character who's only interactions with T'Challa are limited to "my king" and yet I get the feeling Ridley wants to make him a sort of surrogate son to T'Challa and Storm caught between their issues. Akili debuted two volumes ago but outside of following orders has never been shown as close to T'Challa.

I feel like Ridley should've just had the guts to kill off Kasper, then have Vibraxas replace Akili in the the HZ (his powers fit that group pretty well anyway), and reveal Kantu is a mutant who infiltrated Krakoa. Idk, relying on a patchwork of OCs and 3rd-tier Wakandans to tell a story about T'Challa's friendships is an odd approach. It's appreciated that he's trying to "expand" things but when so much of this run seems to be about evaluating T'Challa's past it's weird that the character dynamics are so hollow.

And like you said, the stakes are weird too. There's literally nothing in Wakanda's entire publication history that suggests they'd throw a fit over spies. Even MCU T'Challa, one of the most morally upright and noble versions of the character treated his intel network like it was just a fact of life. And clearly the Wakandans did too bc Nakia was a whole Black Panther candidate herself lol.

And I'm just thinking why America would even be shocked or angered by this. We've directly spied on the leaders of allied nations, why would it be any surprise that a nation with whom they've had antagonistic relations for over a decade has agents in their country? One that dwarfs them in technology and has been shown as willing to defend itself by any means necessary? This feels like the type of story you do when T'Challa's 2-3 years into his career and Wakanda is still a relative unknown. But a decade into T'Challa's career the world shouldn't be surprised he has spies and he should be long past the point of giving a damn.

[Ezyo1000]

Yea manufactured is a good way to describe how things are going. Like Ridley's whole thing about highlighting brotherhood among men of color was a strong and much needed point but the way it's reflected on panel is weird.

He wants to focus on T'Challa's friendships but none of his friends are in the book lol. Jhai was an OC introduced 3 issues ago who never shared a single conversation w/ T'Challa, yet he's a major factor behind T'Challa's mentality right now. Gentle is an X-character who's only interactions with T'Challa are limited to "my king" and yet I get the feeling Ridley wants to make him a sort of surrogate son to T'Challa and Storm caught between their issues. Akili debuted two volumes ago but outside of following orders has never been shown as close to T'Challa.

I feel like Ridley should've just had the guts to kill off Kasper, then have Vibraxas replace Akili in the the HZ (his powers fit that group pretty well anyway), and reveal Kantu is a mutant who infiltrated Krakoa. Idk, relying on a patchwork of OCs and 3rd-tier Wakandans to tell a story about T'Challa's friendships is an odd approach. It's appreciated that he's trying to "expand" things but when so much of this run seems to be about evaluating T'Challa's past it's weird that the character dynamics are so hollow.

And like you said, the stakes are weird too. There's literally nothing in Wakanda's entire publication history that suggests they'd throw a fit over spies. Even MCU T'Challa, one of the most morally upright and noble versions of the character treated his intel network like it was just a fact of life. And clearly the Wakandans did too bc Nakia was a whole Black Panther candidate herself lol.

And I'm just thinking why America would even be shocked or angered by this. We've directly spied on the leaders of allied nations, why would it be any surprise that a nation with whom they've had antagonistic relations for over a decade has agents in their country? One that dwarfs them in technology and has been shown as willing to defend itself by any means necessary? This feels like the type of story you do when T'Challa's 2-3 years into his career and Wakanda is still a relative unknown. But a decade into T'Challa's career the world shouldn't be surprised he has spies and he should be long past the point of giving a damn.

Exactly. Like, no one should give a frak at all especially Wakandans who are known to be xenophobic, however, since Coates trash can of a run introduced the democratic Wakanda, now all of a sudden 10k+ years of xenophobia along with it's successful monarch goes out the window and Wakandans will apparently be shocked and saddened to learn that they spy on the rest of the world and will act of necessary to protect WK???

How many times has Wakanda had to beat back invaders? Why wouldn't this be a thing? Why would they be surprised? Hell they should expect AT A MINIMUM that their Rulers and BPs should have atleast 1 of their spies implanted (and in a high position of authority too) in other nations governments, or atleast where the officials reside.

Honestly I am fine with him killing off rando.lm OC Jhai, I am not fine with T'Challa breaking down over manufactured friendship.

This is where Ridley could of made the friendship Angle stronger by having Taku (or even better, Revived W'Kabi) or someone who's actually known and fans are familiar with, apart of the spy program who is in danger and T'Challa is trying to find them. But his signal is being scrambled or distorted or something so he is actively looking for his friend while checking on his other spies. Maybe Taku has some vital information on Doom or Kiber that he was trying to report to T'Challa before he got taken.

I don't think any actual cast members of Tchallas need to be killed off. Kasper AND vibraxas should be apart of the HZ though. Gentle yeah I don't know why he even connected the run to the X-Men... Again, when he could of just not included them at all Sofia could of made a come back as a spy in Russia. You know, throwbacks.

All the characters in this low scale, poorly plotted story and OC or 3rd tier except Shuri, when we atleast could of gotten 3rd tier Wakandans who we actually somewhat care about and at The least are familiar with.

So again, unless there's some big reveal that these spies actually have some valuable information that T'Challa can't afford to have leaked and its more than just "wAkAnDA hAs sPiEs iN oThEr CoUnTrIEs" this story is incredibly weak and frankly, uninspired and lazy and I will critique it harder than Coates run because even though his execution was ishtty, and he was a terrible writer the plot atleast made sense. While Ridleys doesn't and everything is manufactured and every Wakandan is dumb AF and I would expect better from a comic veteran

[MindofShadow]

Better story may have been he lost contact with a spy and tchalla had reasons to suspect the spy was going to try to stsrt WW3.

Just needs to be something with mote oooomph to justify to response

[Vanguard]

In Avengers #54


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[KingNomarch]

Based on Marvel's Judgment Day trailer, looks like Steve is leading the Avengers again. He was front in center in the group shots while T'Challa was barely in it. Kind of fits the timeline of the solo but I wanted T'Challa to have a more active role in the major event stories.

[Ezyo1000]

Better story may have been he lost contact with a spy and tchalla had reasons to suspect the spy was going to try to stsrt WW3.

Just needs to be something with mote oooomph to justify to response

Anything else would of been better. This is a laughably stupid plot, that could of been so much better if Ridley didn't frak up the very baseline of espionage stories. If us fans can come up with more engaging and weight behind the plot I expected the professionals to atleast do that much and not throw out such a lazy ass story.

[Ezyo1000]

Based on Marvel's Judgment Day trailer, looks like Steve is leading the Avengers again. He was front in center in the group shots while T'Challa was barely in it. Kind of fits the timeline of the solo but I wanted T'Challa to have a more active role in the major event stories.

So chances are that one random image of Cap and T'Challa Talking we say months back is likely T'Challa dipping out of the Avengers... Kibds bullisht that the trailer made it seem like Steve has been doing all the work. It truly feels like T'Challa is getting phased out of everything.

IF he is still on the team it would be nice of he pulled some big endgame moves like he was throughout the Avengers books. Though probably unlikely

[chief12d]

Exactly. Like, no one should give a frak at all especially Wakandans who are known to be xenophobic, however, since Coates trash can of a run introduced the democratic Wakanda, now all of a sudden 10k+ years of xenophobia along with it's successful monarch goes out the window and Wakandans will apparently be shocked and saddened to learn that they spy on the rest of the world and will act of necessary to protect WK???

How many times has Wakanda had to beat back invaders? Why wouldn't this be a thing? Why would they be surprised? Hell they should expect AT A MINIMUM that their Rulers and BPs should have atleast 1 of their spies implanted (and in a high position of authority too) in other nations governments, or atleast where the officials reside.

Honestly I am fine with him killing off rando.lm OC Jhai, I am not fine with T'Challa breaking down over manufactured friendship.

This is where Ridley could of made the friendship Angle stronger by having Taku (or even better, Revived W'Kabi) or someone who's actually known and fans are familiar with, apart of the spy program who is in danger and T'Challa is trying to find them. But his signal is being scrambled or distorted or something so he is actively looking for his friend while checking on his other spies. Maybe Taku has some vital information on Doom or Kiber that he was trying to report to T'Challa before he got taken.

I don't think any actual cast members of Tchallas need to be killed off. Kasper AND vibraxas should be apart of the HZ though. Gentle yeah I don't know why he even connected the run to the X-Men... Again, when he could of just not included them at all Sofia could of made a come back as a spy in Russia. You know, throwbacks.

All the characters in this low scale, poorly plotted story and OC or 3rd tier except Shuri, when we atleast could of gotten 3rd tier Wakandans who we actually somewhat care about and at The least are familiar with.

So again, unless there's some big reveal that these spies actually have some valuable information that T'Challa can't afford to have leaked and its more than just "wAkAnDA hAs sPiEs iN oThEr CoUnTrIEs" this story is incredibly weak and frankly, uninspired and lazy and I will critique it harder than Coates run because even though his execution was ishtty, and he was a terrible writer the plot atleast made sense. While Ridleys doesn't and everything is manufactured and every Wakandan is dumb AF and I would expect better from a comic veteran

And to be clear I don't inherently have an issue with SOME Wakandans being upset, they're not a monolith and have been exposed to new ideas as of late. But it's a complete retcon to pretend that if this got out Wakandans at large would be mad, up until the Coates run they had zero issue with the kings of Wakanda being whatever they needed to be to keep Wakanda safe. They absolutely wouldn't care if the king implanted spies without their knowledge, they'd probably be more mad one of their tribesmen wasn't picked for the mission lol. And the rest of the world is even stupider to be surprised so yea no one here is looking very consistent.

See, I don't have an issue with T'Challa taking a moment to let his feelings out alone. That scene in Chile was good, it was just the wrong character to mourn. Let's keep it a buck, Kasper most likely has no future at Marvel, I'm perfectly fine killing him off to give T'Challa a good emotional moment. Or Kantu, perhaps he's even better because T'Challa knew him since he was a kid and he hasn't been relevant since the 80s. But you're right that this arc didn't need to be structured around T'Challa losing a friend, instead he could be racing against the clock to save them. I also liked the idea that he entered into an alliance with people who Wakandans hate (Doom? Moses Magnum?) or somehow was messing with their gods after just getting them back.

But I don't think Ridley's doing poorly yet. I know some of y'all haven't been liking the action but I think it's decently choreographed and fun, we're seeing T'Challa use his actual martial arts and not just spamming the kinetic energy suit. And for the most part his voice is consistent, the side characters don't suck, and while the pacing is slow, it's not substantially worse than your average Big 2 comic. I can live with this for 20-30 issues lol, my standards aren't high at the moment so maybe that's why.

[skyvolt2000]

At the time, he did create the biggiest power couple to exist. I mean it's all isht now but to this day people still cosplay and know of T'Challa and Storms marriage. So he had good intentions

But I do agree, the things that were bad, were HORRIBLE. if Priest run had peaks and valleys, Hudlins had Stratospheres to Earth's core lol

Funny think about that "power" couple.

I have family that teaches in schools and they did a project with super heroes. They knew everyone except ONE person.

The kids had NO idea who Storm was.

He made the BP cartoon happen and significantly raised T'Challas profile.

The same cartoon that BET refused to air in the USA? Saying it did not fit their network despite Hudlin's involvement? Yet still found an audience via public libraries and youtube?

[chief12d]

Based on Marvel's Judgment Day trailer, looks like Steve is leading the Avengers again. He was front in center in the group shots while T'Challa was barely in it. Kind of fits the timeline of the solo but I wanted T'Challa to have a more active role in the major event stories.

Yea I think T'Challa is gonna reduce his role to reserve member if not leave the team entirely by the end of the year. Ridley's run has already hinted at a major confrontation between him and Cap plus there's that panel that showed the two of them seemingly exchanging harsh words.

T'Challa is probably gonna be more isolated in the coming years. Is it possible it's connected to the rumored Warriors of Wakanda title? Maybe instead of T'Challa leading the Avengers he puts together a team with Okoye, Tosin, Gentle, Asha, etc. that's like Agents of Wakanda meets World of Wakanda. I wouldn't be mad at that as long as that means he's not completely isolated from the MU.

[DigiCom]

In Avengers #54


spoilers:

Pretty good strength feat from TChalla using his own strength and the suit in Avengers issue #54. We don’t know how much he’s lifting. But Namor remarks that the side he’s holding is heavy. So presumably TChalla’s side is almost as heavy. Celestials weigh roughly 260 tons. So I’m guessing the innards he’s holding weigh several tons.

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Based on Marvel's Judgment Day trailer, looks like Steve is leading the Avengers again. He was front in center in the group shots while T'Challa was barely in it. Kind of fits the timeline of the solo but I wanted T'Challa to have a more active role in the major event stories.

I am not shocked. T'Challa has been the most ineffective chairman since Monica Rambeau.

[BlackClaw]

Yea I think T'Challa is gonna reduce his role to reserve member if not leave the team entirely by the end of the year. Ridley's run has already hinted at a major confrontation between him and Cap plus there's that panel that showed the two of them seemingly exchanging harsh words.

T'Challa is probably gonna be more isolated in the coming years. Is it possible it's connected to the rumored Warriors of Wakanda title? Maybe instead of T'Challa leading the Avengers he puts together a team with Okoye, Tosin, Gentle, Asha, etc. that's like Agents of Wakanda meets World of Wakanda. I wouldn't be mad at that as long as that means he's not completely isolated from the MU.

Best case Scenario is that T’Challa is still alive in the comics but his supporting cast will end up getting a huge push (hence that rumored Warriors of Wakanda title). Heck an all Wakandan team would be dope to read about if done right.