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    Beefcake Boss tweeted a great team portrait, and I had to quickly play around with it...





    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWEJ-qlW...g&name=900x900

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    X-men has been such a fun experiment with it's cast, if someone had put those characters together before this series I wouldn't expected them to gel so well. This cast has a special place in my heart!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty&Piotr<3 View Post
    Marvel's job is to set the expectations. And boy, do they set them: I just react. Clowning on them for being literally afraid of a powerful. modern Jean, likely for shipping reasons, is the next best thing to actually getting to read about a modern Jean. So when the main thrust of Jean as a character, from Marvel, is about limiting her powers and exposure to complex stories, when they mention the character of course my general expectation is "oh, how will they further depower her?". That's the precedent that has been set and emphasized. Anytime someone wants to know what to expect next, they look at past behavior.

    As for non-Jean stuff that is actually good, there are the last couple of issues of Red and Immortal, but the line as a whole was floundering for a bit. I guess the Wolverine event was alright on the whole (though it it petered out on the Jean end of things, per par)


    On another note, you gotta admit that it's at least a little bit humorous that I made a post about wagering on how much of Jean's focus issue for AXE will belong to Emma and Cyclops and the 2nd bit we see of it is, of course, Emma. Cmon, that's at least a little bit funny.

    Can I be honest, I've disliked all of Emma and Jean interactions, since like NXM. No one outside of Morrison has really understood Emma and the dichotomy between Emma and the other X-women. Typically, they just like using Emma so her positioning in stories with the other X-women always feels off for me. Realistically none of those women would put up with Emma's nonsense, and what I liked about Morrison, while Emma was clearly his favorite she always got her comeuppance. I'm tired of reading stories about how hard on Emma, Jean is or how Jean needs to be more patient or understanding with Emma. She's never given her own thoughts and emotions, she's used in relation to Emma to further Emma's development. Even under Bendis I thought the Emma/Jeen pairing did more for Emma than Jean, when Jeen's own Omega Level daughter, at the time, was readily available and more equipped. But that would have meant developing Jeen's relationship to Rachel, and at the time it was more important to absolve Emma of her bad feelings.

    I'm tired of my favorite character being used to add to other's narrative, personally I'm fine with them being kept apart!

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    Poor Betsy, this CB run has officially demoted her in regards to her placement amongst the X-men. Kwannon has completed the transition and firmly has Betsy former role within team shots.

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    There’s several things here. The XMen universe has never been all about Jean Grey, nor will it.

    If Jean Grey were to become Phoenix would you really be happy or would you find other reasons to complain?

    Because she isn’t in the green dress anymore. She’s actually kicking ass in the field and you make it seem like this is the first issues of the Hickman run where he uses uses her for telepathic communication and forgets she has other psionic powers.

    They rather openly talk about her being Phoenix in the past and saving more lives than the Phoenix destroyed.

    It doesn’t seem like you’re able to acknowledge any change when it happens or even what you want.

    With that said, I’m not attacking you. You have the right to your feelings. It’s just if Jean becomes Phoenix this year I still don’t see that making you happy, since the other changes didn’t.

    For the love of God can we please stop with this, every-time someone states they aren't completely satisfied with how Jean is used it is interpreted as wanting her to consume all available space in the comics she appears.

    I enjoyed X-men 11-12 but no other Jean fans are obligated to enjoy those issues, and yes there were several problems for me with those two issues. Jean being portrayed as powerful or competent shouldn't mean we all run to rejoice, those characteristics should be the standard and unfortunately it is not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    They haven't been addressed sufficiently or satisfactorily. And as for Gillen choosing to write a Jean-centric 40-page one-shot, well, that's a dream come true for me. One that has had me writhing in ecstasy in fits and starts since it was first announced.

    I trust you won't be reading it, though, which I understand...

    I'm optimistic, but I won't be surprised if this is yet another opportunity for a writer to use Jean to push another character. And if I'm being honest all the signs seem to be pointing towards Jean, relieving her Phoenix mantle to someone else. Moreover, I didn't even know that apparently, Galactus mom is the Phoenix over in Defenders....

    Quote Originally Posted by CapCyke View Post
    Imo, Jean will never be the Phoenix in the long run again.

    I don't think Marvel wants to see her as Phoenix, simply because she would become way too powerful. And scriptwise, the interest of having a character in team books capable of facing the Celestial, Galactus or Thanos in 1 vs 1 is not great.

    If Jean becomes Phoenix again, I have a feeling it will be during a major summer event for a short time or in a solo book where she travels the cosmos and saves planets. But I think she's way too important a part of the X-Men for that to happen.

    I even have a bad feeling that she could even become Dark phoenix again, because in terms of drama, it would be more interesting to see her become an antagonist. Sadly, the visions of Destiny in Immortal Xmen 3 go in this direction.
    Why is this only true for Jean? I can not understand how Cyclops, Emma Colossus, Magik, Namor, Hope, Thane, Taaia, Quentin Quire, Wolverine, Echo, Fongji, A Cavewoman, multiple alternate reality version of Marvel superheroes, and literally anyone else a writer can imagine can be the Phoenix yet Jean Grey is too powerful as the Phoenix, it's just not adding up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty&Piotr<3 View Post
    I have decided that I will read spoilers and then get the Jean AXE issue if the spoilers sound worth reading. $5-6 just to tell us Jean's connection to the Phoenix is a lot less than previous epics said would be a slap and a waste of time considering fairly recent stories have already established this. On its face, this issue sounds unneeded if it's going to be about preaching the virtues of Marvel Girl because Rosenberg already handled that.

    Probably the best course of action.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarquisAsh View Post
    We do know that’s she doesn’t have to have it on her head. They probably forgotten all about it. This outfit is very “teen Jean”

    I'm a little disappointed too, Ewing was the writer who had Jean resurrected Fabian Cortez without the use of the helmet, maybe he just forgot or an artistic error. Either way we have two instance of Jean not wearing the helmet when she resurrects Xavier and Fabian. Plus, unlike some of her peers, during before instance we are shown visuals of the individuals being fully resurrected, pod and all with no helmet in sight!




    EDIT-- I do not think Cassara will be a good fit for X-men year 2, I'm open to it. But Duggan benefitted GREATLY from Larraz, great art and I do not think from what I've seen from Cassara it will be a good fit for the stories we've seen in year 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    The point looks so much better than the bar.
    I like both, though I prefer when the gold trimming is drawn to be very thin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    I call bullshit on him not having omnipresence with how many comics he manages to show up in .
    Haha. You rascal, you. You do have a point, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by juan678 View Post
    If this is indeed from X-Men Red #4, I hope Jean has a moment with Ororo; they are long overdue one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    Exactly, a nod to her Omega Level status...but ah well...I'll headcanon this preview as Jean multitaksing and also administering the "once-a-week" backups to the other cradle sites or something, lol
    Are we sure it's to resurrect Roberto? In either case, it'll be interesting to find out why she's using it. I did ask Ewing about it, so, hopefully, he'll respond. I also complimented him on Red and The Immortal Hulk, which I just started reading and am genuinely loving.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarquisAsh View Post
    We do know that’s she doesn’t have to have it on her head.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    Can I be honest, I've disliked all of Emma and Jean interactions, since like NXM. No one outside of Morrison has really understood Emma and the dichotomy between Emma and the other X-women. Typically, they just like using Emma so her positioning in stories with the other X-women always feels off for me. Realistically none of those women would put up with Emma's nonsense, and what I liked about Morrison, while Emma was clearly his favorite she always got her comeuppance.
    I completely agree with this. Aside from Emma's myriad past abuses of others, specifically adolescents, and her elitist and materialistic outlook on life, other reasons why I can't stomach her include writers attempting to both shoehorn her into various scenarios and persuade readers to like her by whitewashing her past perpetrations. Not only does it feel "off," it feels inauthentic. Her "development" has been choppy at best, with very little focus given to how she has negatively impacted others. Simply showing her doing something heroic, especially when it benefits her to do so, does not equal redemption in my eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I'm tired of reading stories about how hard on Emma, Jean is or how Jean needs to be more patient or understanding with Emma. She's never given her own thoughts and emotions, she's used in relation to Emma to further Emma's development.

    Even under Bendis I thought the Emma/Jeen pairing did more for Emma than Jean, when Jeen's own Omega Level daughter, at the time, was readily available and more equipped. But that would have meant developing Jeen's relationship to Rachel, and at the time it was more important to absolve Emma of her bad feelings.
    I have to disagree with you here because I can't recall any stories outside of Morrison's run in which any of this was applied. And as for Bendis' All-New X-Men, he painted Emma in a not-so-flattering light when he had her flood Jean with her own memories of her sexcapades with Scott, which amounts to showing an underage teenager pornography. However, my heart was fleetingly thawed for Emma by the issue in which he wrote her training Jean. It seemed authentic and moved me. However, Emma was later depicted (by Bunn, I believe) resorting back to her old ways—old habits die hard, after all—in X-Men: Blue, when she mind-controlled Scott and tried rewriting his personality. Jean admonished and knocked her out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I'm tired of my favorite character being used to add to other's narrative, personally I'm fine with them being kept apart!
    When Jean is used in this way it's because of her stature in comics. She's a very well-known character with a lot of fans, so it's no surprise writers sometimes use her as a sort of stamp of approval for their changes and implementations regarding other characters. In either case, I don't think it's done too often. And, unless a writer is really going to delve into their turbulent past and issues with nuance and intelligence, I'm fine with them being kept apart, too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    Poor Betsy, this CB run has officially demoted her in regards to her placement amongst the X-men. Kwannon has completed the transition and firmly has Betsy former role within team shots.
    And some of us have the audacity to complain! Also, I was reading the Knights of X #3 review/spoiler thread, and my heart broke for the Gambit fans. Like, I hadn't really let it sink in how bad it's been for Remy since Hickman took over. He was a star! Anyway, I look forward to the soon-to-be-released animated series revival primping and priming the icons of the franchise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I enjoyed X-men 11-12 but no other Jean fans are obligated to enjoy those issues, and yes there were several problems for me with those two issues. Jean being portrayed as powerful or competent shouldn't mean we all run to rejoice, those characteristics should be the standard and unfortunately it is not.
    By the same token, Jean fans aren't obligated to dislike or have negative opinions about those issues or her treatment under Duggan just because they don't check the right boxes for others. I've seen a member or two or three in this thread chime in with derisive and demeaning comments about an issue or appearance almost immediately after I or someone else have expressed a positive opinion of either.

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    I'm optimistic, but I won't be surprised if this is yet another opportunity for a writer to use Jean to push another character. And if I'm being honest all the signs seem to be pointing towards Jean, relieving her Phoenix mantle to someone else. Moreover, I didn't even know that apparently, Galactus mom is the Phoenix over in Defenders....
    I think Gillen's issue will center on and tackle what has been promoted, i.e., the mission she's going on with Iron Man and Ajak to shut down the Progenitor Celestial and the "human" in her superhuman-ness.

    Gillen will focus on a key character from each of the three involved factions in A.X.E.: AVENGERS, A.X.E.: X-MEN, and A.X.E.: ETERNALS. These essential issues will spotlight Iron Man, Jean Grey, and Ajak as they embark on a vital and complex mission to penetrate the Progenitor Celestial and shut it down, facing their ultimate judgment every step of the way.

    "I wanted JUDGMENT DAY to be a huge scale event book, but also really be absolutely about the people in it — that's Marvel comics to me,” Gillen said. “When we say 'superhuman,' we mean both 'super' and 'human.' These specials really drill down on that, giving a deep-dive personal horrorshow for the three sides in the crossover, centered on one of their main players: Tony Stark, Jean Grey and Ajak. With their history, can they really justify themselves? Let's find out, in this dungeon-delve-as-psychogeography hell trip."
    Frankly, it's gotten to the point where I'm tired of hearing about Phoenix both from fans and writers. The only reason I'm so excited about this event and Jean's involvement in it is that I trust Gillen—and adore his work—to come up with something thoughtful, moving, and profound for Jean. The fact that he chose to spotlight her tells me he's probably been itching to write her, especially since he only had fleeting opportunities to do so during his time on X-Men. In any event, Jean is so much more than PhOeNiX. I wish some fans would be more prone to focusing on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    Why is this only true for Jean? I can not understand how Cyclops, Emma Colossus, Magik, Namor, Hope, Thane, Taaia, Quentin Quire, Wolverine, Echo, Fongji, A Cavewoman, multiple alternate reality version of Marvel superheroes, and literally anyone else a writer can imagine can be the Phoenix yet Jean Grey is too powerful as the Phoenix, it's just not adding up.
    For starters, neither of them was nor could ever be as powerful as Jean was as Phoenix. And, for all we know, the directive to keep Phoenix away from Jean may have come from either or both Marvel and the X-Office. Unfortunately, when Jean is Phoenix—at least as she's been depicted—she draws the attention from everyone else because of both how iconic her history as Phoenix has been and the fact that she's more powerful than most, if not all, of the surrounding characters. I suspect if the powers that be decided to make her Phoenix again but reduced her power levels to avoid the aforementioned, there'd be a new series of endless qualms and complaints from Phoenix-focused fans.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of her "fans" are really just fans of Phoenix. And, to be clear, I'm not directing this at you. And to be even more clear, I already know and don't need to be schooled on how important Jean's time as Phoenix is both in comics and her overall history.

    Ultimately, she is much more than Phoenix to me and many other fans.
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    Jean Grey in the words of Walt Whitman, from his masterpiece Leaves of Grass, "Song of Myself" (51 and 52):

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

    "Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged, Missing me one place search another, I stop somewhere waiting for you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post


    For starters, neither of them was nor could ever be as powerful as Jean was as Phoenix. And, for all we know, the directive to keep Phoenix away from Jean may have come from either or both Marvel and the X-Office. Unfortunately, when Jean is Phoenix—at least as she's been depicted—she draws the attention from everyone else because of both how iconic her history as Phoenix has been and the fact that she's more powerful than most, if not all, of the surrounding characters. I suspect if the powers that be decided to make her Phoenix again but reduced her power levels to avoid the aforementioned, there'd be a new series of endless qualms and complaints from Phoenix-focused fans.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of her "fans" are really just fans of Phoenix. And, to be clear, I'm not directing this at you. And to be even more clear, I already know and don't need to be schooled on how important Jean's time as Phoenix is both in comics and her overall history.

    Ultimately, she is much more than Phoenix to me and many other fans.

    I have no dog in the Jean as Phoenix debate, because it's circular for me, I've just always thought the "she is too powerful as Phoenix" line was an excuse.

    There are literally characters who are her peers, who've matched all of her feats as Green Phoenix save for the universe saving. Heck, even as DP, there are tons of characters who've demonstrated planet or sun destroying abilities, I know DP is much stronger than a single planet or star. But the point I'm making is, if Thor can run around with his powers, the Odinforce, and bestowed the power cosmic from Galactus. Then if a writer or Marvel truly wanted they could easily make Jean as Phoenix work. Even Galactus has been used in team books, I'm just fascinated by this perceived power Jean has as Phoenix that everyone is afraid of. She was beaten by Magneto in the original run, then murdered by an imposter how this woman is treated as too powerful to exist is amusing to me.

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    She may not need to wear the helmet to down-load memories into the newly resurrected but...it doesn't mean can't wear it if she chooses to do so. It's not as though she's being nerfed by wearing a hat. Either way she's still accomplishing a simple (for her) task.
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    The last time she showed up resurrecting someone was on SWORD and that's all she did. I wish she had a development in X-men red

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I have no dog in the Jean as Phoenix debate, because it's circular for me, I've just always thought the "she is too powerful as Phoenix" line was an excuse.

    There are literally characters who are her peers, who've matched all of her feats as Green Phoenix save for the universe saving. Heck, even as DP, there are tons of characters who've demonstrated planet or sun destroying abilities, I know DP is much stronger than a single planet or star. But the point I'm making is, if Thor can run around with his powers, the Odinforce, and bestowed the power cosmic from Galactus. Then if a writer or Marvel truly wanted they could easily make Jean as Phoenix work. Even Galactus has been used in team books, I'm just fascinated by this perceived power Jean has as Phoenix that everyone is afraid of. She was beaten by Magneto in the original run, then murdered by an imposter how this woman is treated as too powerful to exist is amusing to me.
    For some, if the shipping is right, literally nothing else about the character matters, and it's best if she isn't on a level with a Thor, because that would outclassed the other person in her relationship too dramatically. It's nothing to do with her being too powerful for the team, or the same would apply to any of the more powerful X-Men. Except Storm, who is routinely just simple Lightning Lady most of the time in modern comics lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I have no dog in the Jean as Phoenix debate, because it's circular for me, I've just always thought the "she is too powerful as Phoenix" line was an excuse.

    There are literally characters who are her peers, who've matched all of her feats as Green Phoenix save for the universe saving. Heck, even as DP, there are tons of characters who've demonstrated planet or sun destroying abilities, I know DP is much stronger than a single planet or star. But the point I'm making is, if Thor can run around with his powers, the Odinforce, and bestowed the power cosmic from Galactus. Then if a writer or Marvel truly wanted they could easily make Jean as Phoenix work. Even Galactus has been used in team books, I'm just fascinated by this perceived power Jean has as Phoenix that everyone is afraid of. She was beaten by Magneto in the original run, then murdered by an imposter how this woman is treated as too powerful to exist is amusing to me.
    1) The fact that she saved the universe, coupled with her later omniversal history and feats as White Phoenix, would require the writers to show and/or explain—that is if they chose to make her Phoenix and reduce her power levels to a level below the aforementioned—why she isn't as powerful as she's been previously shown to be. Though doing so is certainly possible, it would open up another can of worms. Then again, I say this as if I know for certain what Gillen has planned when I really don't. No one knows.

    2) Your use of Thor as an example is both ironic and relevant. It's ironic because Claremont and Cockrum both intended for Jean to be the X-Men's first female cosmic superhero, referring to her as "an analog, if you will, to Thor." However, the powers that be, i.e., Jim Shooter et al., did not want that, and Claremont and Cockrum settled on lowering her power levels after she repaired the M'Kraan Crystal and saved the cosmos, with the reasoning being that such a feat both caused her mind to set up failsafe psychic breakers and burned her out. As Claremont has stated, she was then reduced to Storm's level of power. (See screenshots below.)

    3) Your use of Thor as an example is relevant because, ultimately, he has always been a solo superhero. That is, he started off as a solo superhero and starred in his own book for years, not as part of a team. Writers can afford to be and usually are much more extravagant with solo characters' abilities because they don't really have to worry about them overshadowing other characters.





    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    She may not need to wear the helmet to down-load memories into the newly resurrected but...it doesn't mean can't wear it if she chooses to do so. It's not as though she's being nerfed by wearing a hat. Either way she's still accomplishing a simple (for her) task.

    Good point!
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    Jean Grey in the words of Walt Whitman, from his masterpiece Leaves of Grass, "Song of Myself" (51 and 52):

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

    "Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged, Missing me one place search another, I stop somewhere waiting for you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    I have no dog in the Jean as Phoenix debate, because it's circular for me, I've just always thought the "she is too powerful as Phoenix" line was an excuse.

    There are literally characters who are her peers, who've matched all of her feats as Green Phoenix save for the universe saving. Heck, even as DP, there are tons of characters who've demonstrated planet or sun destroying abilities, I know DP is much stronger than a single planet or star. But the point I'm making is, if Thor can run around with his powers, the Odinforce, and bestowed the power cosmic from Galactus. Then if a writer or Marvel truly wanted they could easily make Jean as Phoenix work. Even Galactus has been used in team books, I'm just fascinated by this perceived power Jean has as Phoenix that everyone is afraid of. She was beaten by Magneto in the original run, then murdered by an imposter how this woman is treated as too powerful to exist is amusing to me.
    I think that's a valid point. It would take a major effort for a writer to successfully balance Jean's omnipotence as Phoenix with that of the other X-Men without her taking all the light. Even Kitty&Piotr's argument strikes me as a totally valid argument for a writer. Yeah that's regressive, a female character "nerfed" not to completely outdo her male partner is wrong, but I totally imagine Marvel using that point as a major argument. Although I doubt that's the case or the reason.

    I know some fans think it's part of her or it's her heritage, but Jean doesn't need the bird to be interesting, powerful and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    Poor Betsy, this CB run has officially demoted her in regards to her placement amongst the X-men. Kwannon has completed the transition and firmly has Betsy former role within team shots.
    what sucks also is that Kwannon doesnt really have much of a relatioship with any of these women unlike Betsy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapCyke View Post
    I know some fans think it's part of her or it's her heritage, but Jean doesn't need the bird to be interesting, powerful and awesome.
    Be careful, you might be accused of wanting her to be Marvel Girl FoReVaH! No, but seriously, the thing is, being Phoenix is and always will be part of Jean's history and legacy. And the second part of your statement is true, too: She doesn't need to be Phoenix to be powerful, interesting, and inspiring. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Jean Grey in the words of Walt Whitman, from his masterpiece Leaves of Grass, "Song of Myself" (51 and 52):

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

    "Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged, Missing me one place search another, I stop somewhere waiting for you."

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    Way to dig it into some of the fans, Juan. lmao! It's a cool design, though.
    Jean Grey in the words of Walt Whitman, from his masterpiece Leaves of Grass, "Song of Myself" (51 and 52):

    "Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

    "Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged, Missing me one place search another, I stop somewhere waiting for you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    Be careful, you might be accused of wanting her to be Marvel Girl FoReVaH! No, but seriously, the thing is, being Phoenix is and always will be part of Jean's history and legacy. And the second part of your statement is true, too: She doesn't need to be Phoenix to be powerful, interesting, and inspiring. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Yeah, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. When we think of Phoenix, we automatically think of Jean Grey. But she's more than fine without it, and not being so isn't an insult or a regression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    Would have been nice if it was actually a thing that Jean does not need Cerebro….but well,….not a thing after all.
    I mean... the backups are stored inside Cerebro that's kind of the whole point lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan678 View Post
    This era is probably the worst time to be a Jean fan, counting only the times when she was alive. They are going to keep telling us they do not care about Jean. Can't wait to see how Gillen puts us in our place lmao

    Maybe if the movie guys show her a lil respect the comics will follow suit.

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