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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    That was the scene I remembered. And absolutely to the rest of your post.
    Thank you! And same to yours and the other posts today I've been slow to keep up with

    Regarding Jean's TK, I'll repost some unsung, less bombastic feats, but i do love 'em



    Take charge, multi-tasking, improvisation and risk taking. Jean rescues everyone, catches a falling helicopter, places everyone inside while keeping Rictor tethered outside and then briefly stops his heart. Besides the individual feats, switching from brute, externally applied strength to delicate, internally applied precision is very impressive. It's the mental equivalent of trying to lift a heavy weight in one hand while not breaking the shell of an egg in the grip of your other hand. She could have just as easily accidentally caved his chest in.

    And this one from Legion Quest





    Despite the battle with Legion, anchoring herself from his temporal vortex, broadcasting a telepathic S.O.S despite the temporal energy distortion...Jean still manages to create a TK cocoon that stays in tact even after losing consciousness.

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    I've said it before in other threads, but I think the whole 'each omega only has ONE omega level power' thing doesn't work at all and most of them don't have abilities that can be clearly separated into multiple different powers that even CAN exist at different power levels. Like Bobby's omega level power is listed as negative temperature manipulation....but most of his biggest 'feats' are the stuff he does with moisture rather than temperature, like making multiple golems, teleporting, healing/immortality....stuff that comes from his control over his ice form rather than just....an ability to drop temperatures. So it just doesn't....work, to act like his manipulation of temperature is the only thing he does at omega levels. Its the same thing with Jean and how so many of her biggest feats aren't JUST the end result of solely her telepathy or solely her telekinesis, but use aspects of both, and so on with multiple other omegas. Its just a very unwieldy way to approach examining their powersets, when most omegas have powerSETS that are a combination of a bunch of things, rather than singular powers.

    I mean, I know that as of right now, technically this is the canon, that each omega has one specific omega power even if they have multiple other powers. I just think its a dumb canon that doesn't make much sense and falls apart if you look at it too closely, which I don't think Hickman actually did before canonizing it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbysWorld View Post
    I've said it before in other threads, but I think the whole 'each omega only has ONE omega level power' thing doesn't work at all and most of them don't have abilities that can be clearly separated into multiple different powers that even CAN exist at different power levels. Like Bobby's omega level power is listed as negative temperature manipulation....but most of his biggest 'feats' are the stuff he does with moisture rather than temperature, like making multiple golems, teleporting, healing/immortality....stuff that comes from his control over his ice form rather than just....an ability to drop temperatures. So it just doesn't....work, to act like his manipulation of temperature is the only thing he does at omega levels. Its the same thing with Jean and how so many of her biggest feats aren't JUST the end result of solely her telepathy or solely her telekinesis, but use aspects of both, and so on with multiple other omegas. Its just a very unwieldy way to approach examining their powersets, when most omegas have powerSETS that are a combination of a bunch of things, rather than singular powers.

    I mean, I know that as of right now, technically this is the canon, that each omega has one specific omega power even if they have multiple other powers. I just think its a dumb canon that doesn't make much sense and falls apart if you look at it too closely, which I don't think Hickman actually did before canonizing it that way.
    It also just didn't solve anything, which is my other issue with it besides the very intentional Jean downgrading.
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    This is one of my favorite character moments for Jean (I always ignore the cocoon retcon, lol)

    I like moments when Jean goes from 0 to 110 so fast. Jean doesn't half-ass anything. XD



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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    This is one of my favorite character moments for Jean (I always ignore the cocoon retcon, lol)

    I like moments when Jean goes from 0 to 110 so fast. Jean doesn't half-ass anything. XD



    This is one of my favorites! I love that power display!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbysWorld View Post
    I've said it before in other threads, but I think the whole 'each omega only has ONE omega level power' thing doesn't work at all and most of them don't have abilities that can be clearly separated into multiple different powers that even CAN exist at different power levels. Like Bobby's omega level power is listed as negative temperature manipulation....but most of his biggest 'feats' are the stuff he does with moisture rather than temperature, like making multiple golems, teleporting, healing/immortality....stuff that comes from his control over his ice form rather than just....an ability to drop temperatures. So it just doesn't....work, to act like his manipulation of temperature is the only thing he does at omega levels. Its the same thing with Jean and how so many of her biggest feats aren't JUST the end result of solely her telepathy or solely her telekinesis, but use aspects of both, and so on with multiple other omegas. Its just a very unwieldy way to approach examining their powersets, when most omegas have powerSETS that are a combination of a bunch of things, rather than singular powers.

    I mean, I know that as of right now, technically this is the canon, that each omega has one specific omega power even if they have multiple other powers. I just think its a dumb canon that doesn't make much sense and falls apart if you look at it too closely, which I don't think Hickman actually did before canonizing it that way.
    I think this is current I might be wrong but it looks like both jean's TP and TK are omega level againScreenshot_20220520-211013_Twitter.jpg

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    I don't know if this true or not but i hope soScreenshot_20220524-003051_Gallery.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    And yet, as I've noted many times before, she was categorized as having "infinite mental powers" nearly a decade before either Phoenix or Claremont were anywhere near her. The limitlessness of her powers has been both alluded to and clearly stated since nearly the beginning of her history.

    Man I wasn't even talking about this, you're just looking for flimsy excuses to post these panels now

    As for Destiny classifying her as a "nexus of probabilities," it isn't the only time she's been referred to as a nexus. She was also referred to as a nexus by the Time-Keepers:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOh5aVeX...pg&name=medium
    Ah, that's cool, thanks.

    Nevertheless, it has been established multiple times that Jean, without the aid of the Phoenix Force, can transcend the death and destruction of her own body and either transfer her psyche to another body or simply continue living as an entity of pure thought.
    No wonder Phoenix wants a piece of that lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    and that conversation ends with her blowing a freakin' hole in the wall, lol.

    That's a bit beyond "Blowing a whole in the wall", 'cause it looks like there's no wall left lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    Much like Claremont did before introducing Phoenix, I think Morrison underplayed Jean's abilities so that her power displays as Phoenix would be more impactful. In Uncanny X-Men #105, written by Claremont—after Jean fights Firelord and "powers up an interstellar transmitter without batting an eyelash"—Scott thinks to himself, "Jean used to be the weakest X-Man,” which is patently false. I mean, this page and these panels alone quite literally prove that she was one of, if not the strongest member of the team (she and Bobby were always the strongest, which was later substantiated in X-Men Forever [2001]):
    Best way to make sense of the "Jean used to be the weakest" is if you think about the earliest stories where she indeed was, but uh, she was also the newest member and her powers developed over time even in Lee/Kirby run (Though it was never pointed out directly, it possibly wasn't intentional improvement besides her using telekinesis to lift herself).

    Even then, she still improved without the Phoenix anyways, so that's a weird misreading of older comics, and while yes, it was implied she was the weakest one back in Lee/Kirby era, with her powers improving while at least Angel remained stagnant, it's a weird thing to claim.

    So both Spidey and one of his clones, Ben, made the mistake of calling Jean "Marvel Girl", now I want Kaine to do so as well for a rule of 3 lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanGrey2 View Post
    I think this is current I might be wrong but it looks like both jean's TP and TK are omega level againScreenshot_20220520-211013_Twitter.jpg
    Unfortunately, I don't think that's real. It very much looks photoshopped. The "None" and "Telekinesis" parts were copied and pasted from other parts of the page. "None" was expanded to cover "Marvel Girl" and the alignment for "Telekinesis" is slightly off. Franklin Richards would also not be part of that list anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury View Post
    Here's a little article from ScreenRant on Jean seemingly dropping the moniker:

    X-Men Officially Retires an Original Team Member's Codename
    https://screenrant.com/original-xmen...-girl-phoenix/

    I was going through my DM history on Twitter today and realized I sent Duggan a long message back in January regarding why it was out of character for Jean to be going by Marvel Girl, along with the pictures below. He never directly responded to those messages, though we did chat back and forth afterward. In either case, I do wonder if her recent declaration in X-Men #11 is meant to indicate that she will no longer be going by Marvel Girl. We'll see...





    You know, a few issues back Dugan has Jean doubt her wearing her Marvel Girl costume.

    Jean potentially shedding the Marvel Girl codename and taking the codename Phoenix back? Something like that would happen during a dramatic storyline, like the Eternals trying to kill all mutants.

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    Speaking of the Marvel Girl name, did any editor or writer ever explain why Jean suddenly dropped her codename in the early 90s, somewhere in between the end of X-Factor and Claremont/Lee X-Men IIRC?

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