Jean Grey / Phoenix Appreciation 2022

**johnnysv75** · 07-20-2022, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Micabe

It's beginning to look more and more like Psychic Siphoning is going to be Jean Grey's new level of ineffability. Makes me wonder since Adult Jean Grey currently possesses the memories of Phoenix/Jean Grey, Madelyne Pryor-Summers (and is thus an expert pilot), as well as those of her younger time-displaced teen self -- armed as such what can't she do

Jean truly has a lot of potential. Let us hope they explore her capabilities in year 2 of X-Men.

Originally Posted by Tank

This is what I’m hoping for as well.

I still remember the line “you were always here, waiting for yourself to arrive.” Hyper phoenix conciousness Jean waiting for herself on the space shuttle so that the circle is complete works on so many levels. And once she became Phoenix, she was a phoenix always because time for her was no longer linear. Morrison laid it all out, we just need Gillen to confirm it.

Oh! I had forgotten that! Have to re-read Morrison’s X-Men.

**johnnysv75** · 07-20-2022, 02:01 AM

Just read Judgment Day. Jean didn’t do much, but I really like how she was written. (Even though the freckles make her look too young.)

**Exodus** · 07-20-2022, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by johnnysv75

Just read Judgment Day. Jean didn’t do much, but I really like how she was written. (Even though the freckles make her look too young.)

can I ask you for a spoiler what you have enjoyed about her in the first issue?

**Marvelfan1992** · 07-20-2022, 03:12 AM

Saw on twitter

**johnnysv75** · 07-20-2022, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Exodus

can I ask you for a spoiler what you have enjoyed about her in the first issue?

Mercury has posted Jean’s panels on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/jean_red_grey/st...3gKDuduESJ29Tg

Jean is not in it much, but i like:
spoilers:

Her confidence and pose. How she flung herself into battle. And that she knew that sh*t was going down before the alarm went off. And yeah, a cry from Mars maybe is not that impressive when Xavier heard his daughter’s death cry across space, but I really liked it.

end of spoilers

**Omega_DCD** · 07-20-2022, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by johnnysv75

Just read Judgment Day. Jean didn’t do much, but I really like how she was written. (Even though the freckles make her look too young.)

I agree...and also regarding the freckles...both Jean and Hope...not sure why some try to do the "redhead equals automatic freckles" thing

**Daedra** · 07-20-2022, 07:42 AM

Those freckles completely ruined Jean’s appearance for me today, it looked like Anne of green gables was summoned from 1908 to cosplay as Jean grey, basically they found another way to infantilize her now that the 70’s costume is gone.

**Thirteen** · 07-20-2022, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Daedra

Those freckles completely ruined Jean’s appearance for me today, it looked like Anne of green gables was summoned from 1908 to cosplay as Jean grey, basically they found another way to infantilize her now that the 70’s costume is gone.

"Found"? Teen Jean and Ghost Jean, both of whom's tenure seems BELOVED on these boards, had freckles. And beyond.
It's not new, not do I see how someone having freckles is "infantilizing"...

**Daedra** · 07-20-2022, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thirteen

"Found"? Teen Jean and Ghost Jean, both of whom's tenure seems BELOVED on these boards, had freckles. And beyond.
It's not new, not do I see how someone having freckles is "infantilizing"...

1. Ghost jean is not beloved
2. I sad freckles make jean (a comic character) look childish ( in a comic medium) so don’t try to make this about real people because I did not.
3. Freckles were never a distinct feature of Jean Grey for 99% or her comic history
4. I explicitly said this artist initiative “ruined jean’s appearance for me today”, so feel free to like it as much as you want.
5. The artistic rendition looks more like acne than real freckles, thats the reason why she feels more like a teenager than an adult woman.

**MechaJeanix** · 07-20-2022, 09:01 AM

I don’t mind the freckles. I like them, but I’m an adult with freckles. I’m not a redhead, and I’ve always had them since childhood. When I’m out in the sun, freckles all over lol

Jean looked great in today’s issue and I’m very excited to see where the story goes. We know Jean is going to be a major player. I’m glad we will have a lot to discuss over the next few months!

**Force de Phenix** · 07-20-2022, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Daedra

1. Ghost jean is not beloved
2. I sad freckles make jean (a comic character) look childish ( in a comic medium) so don’t try to make this about real people because I did not.
3. Freckles were never a distinct feature of Jean Grey for 99% or her comic history
4. I explicitly said this artist initiative “ruined jean’s appearance for me today”, so feel free to like it as much as you want.
5. The artistic rendition looks more like acne than real freckles, thats the reason why she feels more like a teenager than an adult woman.

The reason you think she looks childish is because they've been feeding you "adults don't have freckles and they look so and so" and you went along with it. But there are indeed a lot of adults with freckles.

**Daedra** · 07-20-2022, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Force de Phenix

The reason you think she looks childish is because they've been feeding you "adults don't have freckles and they look so and so" and you went along with it. But there are indeed a lot of adults with freckles.

Yeah, you are wrong, my grandma had freckles and so did my aunt and my cousins, I know at the very least 5 adults with freckles so really this theory of yours is falling flat on his face……….. is it still possible to discuss the comic without things having to take a personal turn every time?

**Force de Phenix** · 07-20-2022, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Daedra

Yeah, you are wrong, my grandma had freckles and so did my aunt and my cousins, I know at the very least 5 adults with freckles so really this theory of yours is falling flat on his face……….. is it still possible to discuss the comic without things having to take a personal turn every time?

This just makes the whole thing more ridiculous. If you know adults with freckles, why do you associate them with "looking childish"? What does being in a comic have to do with anything?

**Daedra** · 07-20-2022, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Force de Phenix

This just makes the whole thing more ridiculous. If you know adults with freckles, why do you associate them with "looking childish"? What does being in a comic have to do with anything?

Because as I explained in the very first post you quoted this artist rendition of freckles looks like teenage acne and his jean does not look like Jean to me, it gives me a jarring sensation of watching another redhead cosplay as her.

**johnnysv75** · 07-20-2022, 10:26 AM

The art is fantastic in today’s Judgment Day. I love Jean’s confidence and pose. But I do think Jean having freckles makes her look a bit too young. I think that is because in comics they usually give freckles to kids. (I know there are adult characters with freckles, but it is usually something that mostly young characters have.) And I say this as an adult male with fair skin and freckles.

But Gillen writes a great Jean, and Jean is said to have a huge role to play in this event, so I am happy.

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