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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Ease up on Tony a little. Gimme something like Heroes Return.
    I absolutely agree. The hitting rock bottom stories with Tony have become tiresome at this point.

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    Thanks for sharing. Very informative.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Read the first issue! Gonna say this about it--very clear 80s Iron Man energy to it. In that way, it's very in the keeping with the tradition Slott seemed to start: His Tony was the 60s charmer, then Cantwell had the noirish Tony from the 70s, and now we have a Maverick Tony straight from 1984-85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steroid View Post
    I absolutely agree. The hitting rock bottom stories with Tony have become tiresome at this point.
    I think it's the writers being out of step with the audience. Superheroes who are rich? Readers like that, writers don't. Writers fail to grasp that this is escapism and to the readers the wealth and exotic locales are very important and while you can do a Tony goes broke story occasionally it's being done so much now that it's almost the status quo! The same phenomenon also seems to be happening to superheroes who are also royalty.
    "The Marvel EIC Chair has a certain curse that goes along with it: it tends to drive people insane, and ultimately, out of the business altogether. It is the notorious last stop for many staffers, as once you've sat in The Big Chair, your pariah status is usually locked in." Christopher Priest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    I think it's the writers being out of step with the audience. Superheroes who are rich? Readers like that, writers don't. Writers fail to grasp that this is escapism and to the readers the wealth and exotic locales are very important and while you can do a Tony goes broke story occasionally it's being done so much now that it's almost the status quo! The same phenomenon also seems to be happening to superheroes who are also royalty.
    It's not like they're singling out monarchs and billionaires. This stuff happens to every Marvel hero. Spider-Man and Daredevil being the most frequent victims.

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    [As usual thanks juan678. This is beautiful. I love it when Marvel does stuff like this.
    "We live in a world of cowards. We live in a world full of small minds who are afraid. We are ruled by those who refuse to risk anything of their own. Who guard their over bloated paucities of power with money. With false reasoning. With measured hesitance. With prideful, recalcitrant inaction. With hateful invective. With weapons. F@#K these selfish fools and their prevailing world order." Tony Stark

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    Spending half of the first issue with a recap is not going to work.
    All this drama felt forced, of all the problem Slott had , Rhodey felt like a good friend that knew how to help Tony and not to come back as a addict , neither Cantwell nor Duggan understood that.
    Most of Tony's friends and romantic interest are ignored because Duggan don't care, he want to tell a story that was told better.
    Is sad, maybe one day Ewing will come here to gave us a Tony story that use his long story and not the well known ones(armor war, Demon in a bottle and extremis)

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    Ugh, research fail in today's issue. Tony thinks Avengers Mansion is still a hotel? Johnny Storm (who had control of Reed Richards' fortune at the time as he was considered dead) bought it back at the end of Uncanny Avengers (when he was on that team), and it was used briefly as their HQ. It got wrecked again during Avengers No Surrender, but was rebuilt again and is still maintained by Jarvis, as shown in Amazing Spider-Man, Unstoppable Wasp, and, of course, Avengers. The Mansion isn't owned by Tony personally, but it is owned by Avengers Mansion Inc, which Johnny set up back in Uncanny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    I think it's the writers being out of step with the audience. Superheroes who are rich? Readers like that, writers don't. Writers fail to grasp that this is escapism and to the readers the wealth and exotic locales are very important and while you can do a Tony goes broke story occasionally it's being done so much now that it's almost the status quo! The same phenomenon also seems to be happening to superheroes who are also royalty.
    Blame relatable over fantasy - Google had a world cup game to go with the real one where fans could either play as France or Morocco - France won both but in the virtual game it was a lot closer than the real world win. People like underdogs but most people still like winners. We remember the bottom stories more because the critical writing's memory is caught in literary praise which is about struggle of characters not fast cars and women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4theEarth View Post
    Blame relatable over fantasy - Google had a world cup game to go with the real one where fans could either play as France or Morocco - France won both but in the virtual game it was a lot closer than the real world win. People like underdogs but most people still like winners. We remember the bottom stories more because the critical writing's memory is caught in literary praise which is about struggle of characters not fast cars and women.
    Kind of reminds me of what one famous and well-respected writer once said about how a lot of these high-minded types fall into that particular trap of thinking that only pain is interesting, and only suffering and misery are meaningful.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    spoilers:
    Iron Man #1 review

    The good:
    The prose has an engrossing Raymond Chandler/Philip K. Dick flavor to it. This is a gritty detective story and interesting as such.

    There is at least a hint that Stark at least grieves for his father.

    The bad:
    his alcohol abuse is described as purely being a result of his bored hedonism, and not the result of his grief for his parents, or Yinsen, or Sal Kennedy, or Rumiko, or anyone else that he has lost. There was an opportunity here to make his alcohol abuse rooted in something relatable, but this was squandered for more of, "oh, he's just a rich hedonist who is too weak-willed to control himself."

    Stark is going to AA, which always disturbs me because it is such an outdated, unscientific treatment. And its founding is Scientology-level disturbing, yet writers usually treat it as unambiguously good.

    The WUH??
    Stark left Stark Unlimited long ago, but his current troubles are somehow making its stock price crash. How? His actions can't effect their sales, or factories, or research and development.

    Then again, it's not like retail investors are known for their rationality. It could be some emotion driven FUD crash. In which case any options traders in the Marvel Universe are probably buying calls like sharks in a feeding frenzy, and whoever is now in charge of Stark Unlimited is taking advantage of this to do stock buybacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    I think it's the writers being out of step with the audience. Superheroes who are rich? Readers like that, writers don't. Writers fail to grasp that this is escapism and to the readers the wealth and exotic locales are very important and while you can do a Tony goes broke story occasionally it's being done so much now that it's almost the status quo! The same phenomenon also seems to be happening to superheroes who are also royalty.
    This is them essentially taking twitter "hot takes" seriously. Ya know those guys who think they are making profound statements like "Batman beats up the poor and mentally ill" despite probably having never read or watched an actual Batman story. Cause they are the only people actually making these complains about Tony being rich and shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Kind of reminds me of what one famous and well-respected writer once said about how a lot of these high-minded types fall into that particular trap of thinking that only pain is interesting, and only suffering and misery are meaningful.
    Wow that does accurately describe how Black Panther is being written.

    Marvel pretty much exclusively only hires those high-minded literately types and the result is akin to T'Challa getting his face and testicles stomped every issue yet they consider it art cause "maturity".
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