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    Quote Originally Posted by Malachi View Post
    Hard to do within the marvel universe as they where defined by their stand against legacy heroes for many years. At best you have to look at street level characters in say Avengers or other teams. Super soldier serum heroes perhaps?

    With DC it’s easier but they often go back and forth with editorial restrictions so consistent isn’t a common word. Batman universe characters tend to be similar and occupy the same spaces. GL clearly went to far. But it could support at least 4 heroes with the same green ring.

    One problem with whatever logic Nick Lowe throws at us that we know that Marvel won’t be consistent. They only write rules like this to break them. If they come into a situation where a character they are excited for goes against this logic it won’t even be worth the paper it was printed in.
    yeah, DC is the natural example and differences between the two companies have shrunk in recent years.

    i'm not that familiar with the current bat fam, but i thought they all had their "thing" and green lanterns are at least a corp. that being said, if dc are managing it well, there's no reason marvel couldn't.

    i don't know if it's a "rule" as such, though. to be fair, ben this criticism of ben and the supposed inability of him and peter to occupy the mainstage simultaneously has been a part of ben's existence in the meta since his return in the 90s.

    maybe they just need to do the counter intuitive and embrace it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    I'm just a casual Ben Reilly fan and I'm upset with what they've done to him. It's like a slap in the face to the character and his fans.
    Thanks for sharing our pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    CBR even have Ben's treatment among it's top eight "harsh realities for Spider-Man fans" article
    I read that one, too. No lies detected, overall, though my personal "favorites" are the ones that basically amount to, "Current editorial and executive leadership is stubbornly stuck in the past, in what they feel were Spider-Man's glory days, and refuses to acknowledge or respect that the readership and fandom have largely moved on from that era and want the character to be able to move on as well."
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    How stuck in the past can they be if we're all complaining about a character being taken in a new direction?

    Isn't the Ben Reilly: Spider-Man mini-series the one stuck in the past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    How stuck in the past can they be if we're all complaining about a character being taken in a new direction?

    Isn't the Ben Reilly: Spider-Man mini-series the one stuck in the past?
    Is it really a new direction when it's the same direction as the last few times they gave Ben Reilly a new direction?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Is it really a new direction when it's the same direction as the last few times they gave Ben Reilly a new direction?

    And as fans of Ben Reilly, we had hopes at the start of Beyond thinking "well, they won't do the same thing AGAIN"
    Last edited by Sr. Bungle; 05-16-2022 at 05:13 PM.

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    If we're going to be that reductive, then "Ben Reilly is a hero" is re-treading old ground as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    If we're going to be that reductive, then "Ben Reilly is a hero" is re-treading old ground as well.
    I think the idea is to take the character in a direction that makes sense and is well-written. This is not that. Things aren't automatically good just by being somewhat different. P

    For example, Wally West killing his friends and desecrating their corpses in Heroes in Crisis was certainly a "new direction," but it was also stupid.

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    Sure. It's just funny to see the two complaints in the same post.

    "Marvel are stuck in the past, they don't change Spider-Man enough."

    "Marvel changed this Spider-Man too much!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Sure. It's just funny to see the two complaints in the same post.

    "Marvel are stuck in the past, they don't change Spider-Man enough."

    "Marvel changed this Spider-Man too much!"
    yeah, i have problems with marvel's approach but i'm unsure if "stuck in the past" would be one of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Sure. It's just funny to see the two complaints in the same post.

    "Marvel are stuck in the past, they don't change Spider-Man enough."

    "Marvel changed this Spider-Man too much!"
    The two aren't really related, though. I don't think anybody feels that Marvel is stuck in the past when it comes to Ben. If anything, the usual complaint is that Marvel doesn't seem to hire people that have even read Ben's old stories.

    Refusing to move Peter forward in any meaningful or interesting way? Totally different story.

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    Bad character changes are bad character changes in my opinion.

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    Another CBR hit piece

    Ben Reilly's New Identity Chasm Is Doomed to Fail

    https://www.cbr.com/ben-reilly-chasm...er-man-marvel/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    Another CBR hit piece

    Ben Reilly's New Identity Chasm Is Doomed to Fail

    https://www.cbr.com/ben-reilly-chasm...er-man-marvel/
    These dudes are my spirit animals. LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    Another CBR hit piece

    Ben Reilly's New Identity Chasm Is Doomed to Fail

    https://www.cbr.com/ben-reilly-chasm...er-man-marvel/
    It almost seems like an agenda.
    And if that's the case, I fully agree with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Is it really a new direction when it's the same direction as the last few times they gave Ben Reilly a new direction?

    "I am tired of these people . . . I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    Another CBR hit piece

    Ben Reilly's New Identity Chasm Is Doomed to Fail

    https://www.cbr.com/ben-reilly-chasm...er-man-marvel/
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    These dudes are my spirit animals. LMAO
    Quote Originally Posted by Sr. Bungle View Post
    It almost seems like an agenda.
    And if that's the case, I fully agree with it
    Yeah, same.
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