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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    That's what I figured. I hear Bernard got kidnapped and Tim rescued him or something? So not *purely* a romance story, but close.

    I'll happily grab Tim's book when the main driver of the story isn't who he's dating (man or woman). I heard something about him being a big player in a upcoming Batman run, or something?
    From what I've heard it's like Steph, just without Steph .

    Basically Tim is set to be the Robin of Zdarsky's run.

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    DARK CRISIS: YOUNG JUSTICE #3
    Written by MEGHAN FITZMARTIN
    Art by LAURA BRAGA
    Cover by MAX DUNBAR
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    Sins of the old! In response to their lack of gratitude, the world holding Superboy, Impulse, and Tim Drake captive has brought back the three villains who have
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    Oh yeah, so I guess Captain Boomerang killing Tim's dad is back in-canon.

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    Some thoughts on several things: In regard to the tumblr fans, vast majority seem to be TimKon, then TimSteph, with some Timber (as it's being called) and limited. To me the issue with Bernard is that he's going to become a Gwen Stacey, in that you could have had an interesting character, but to do so would be work and some don't want to do that. My feeling is that you could have used several characters rather than him. Off the top of my head other than Bernard:

    Bunker -was part of Tim's TT for a while, they had a good relationship.
    Jackson Hyde -Again part of Tim's team way earlier
    Zachary Zartar -Could easily have made him Bi too and played with some of the Zantana/Batman aspect going on there, they also had a friendship for a bit.
    Hal Jordan Jr (Airwave) -already out as either bi or gay, and needs a mentor. Tim can teach him the way Dick taught him and you establish a relationship there.
    Hell even the Kid from school that was going to be King Cobra. He could be way more interesting.
    De-age Obsidian and you can go with that...

    I do think the reason why they went with Bernard is because he is so much like Steph that no one would complain about things. And yes I agree that the break up needs to be explored.

    On the issue of gay men in DC, off the top of my head:

    Todd Scott -Obsidian (Was one of the first characters to come out as gay. Whole thing wit Atom Smasher happened too)
    Hal Jordan Jr. -Airwave (Mentioned to his uncle he likes a guy)
    Apollo and Midnighter (Married couple)
    Bunker (We saw him basically lose his boyfriend)

    There's a whole list of names on the DC wiki about this.

    Bernard is going to either need to be a person, or else over time, he's going to be tossed due to the novelty of him wearing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    Some thoughts on several things: In regard to the tumblr fans, vast majority seem to be TimKon, then TimSteph, with some Timber (as it's being called) and limited. To me the issue with Bernard is that he's going to become a Gwen Stacey, in that you could have had an interesting character, but to do so would be work and some don't want to do that. My feeling is that you could have used several characters rather than him. Off the top of my head other than Bernard:

    Bunker -was part of Tim's TT for a while, they had a good relationship.
    Jackson Hyde -Again part of Tim's team way earlier
    Zachary Zartar -Could easily have made him Bi too and played with some of the Zantana/Batman aspect going on there, they also had a friendship for a bit.
    Hal Jordan Jr (Airwave) -already out as either bi or gay, and needs a mentor. Tim can teach him the way Dick taught him and you establish a relationship there.
    Hell even the Kid from school that was going to be King Cobra. He could be way more interesting.
    De-age Obsidian and you can go with that...

    I do think the reason why they went with Bernard is because he is so much like Steph that no one would complain about things. And yes I agree that the break up needs to be explored.

    On the issue of gay men in DC, off the top of my head:

    Todd Scott -Obsidian (Was one of the first characters to come out as gay. Whole thing wit Atom Smasher happened too)
    Hal Jordan Jr. -Airwave (Mentioned to his uncle he likes a guy)
    Apollo and Midnighter (Married couple)
    Bunker (We saw him basically lose his boyfriend)

    There's a whole list of names on the DC wiki about this.

    Bernard is going to either need to be a person, or else over time, he's going to be tossed due to the novelty of him wearing out.
    Mentioning Bernard in the same vein as Gwen Stacy is a slander to Gwen.

    Anyway the whole using Bernard "because he is so much like Steph that no one would complain about things" doesn't work for me at all and feels like a slap in the face. Instead of giving us what we want we are getting a bootleg, downgraded version and that makes the breakup feel pointless and forced. It's like if someone broke up Peter and MJ for a not MJ, which would rightfully piss people off due to being redundant. It just shows the quality of Fitzmartin's writing which is fanfic level.

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