Tim Drake: Robin, Red Robin, Appreciation 2022

[Digifiend]

Yeah. Tim's backstory was restored during Tynion's Detective Comics run. And the event Jack died in should be canon again now after Infinite Frontier. Also, in his recent solo stories, the fact he's alternately named Tim Wayne came up - that technically being his name since Bruce adopted him.

[Restingvoice]

But of all the fantasy words son of Mxy could have fabricated, why this one? Where did he get his "insight" from, that he could then choose to twist the past into this "90s but not 90s" version? Would he not have constructed it somehow out of the subconscious of the guys?

So Cissie is actually possessed or deluded in the present? I guess there have been stories where the imps do that sort of thing.
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Since as far as I know he's a new character, his motivation can be whatever, but if I understand 5th dimension correctly by how Morrison portrayed it... Mxy views Superman stories just like a reader reading a book. He managed to woo Princess Nyxly by retelling her stories about Superman.

So Mxy Jr. maybe one of the readers of 3rd dimension too, and something angered him enough to make a world like this and drag YJ3 into it.

(Kinda like how in Mr. Vyndktvx's case he blamed Superman and decided to make his life miserable just because Mr. Mxyptlk used Superman stories to win over Princess Nyxly.)

As for Cissie, I'm thinking more of shapeshifting, as in it's never her to begin with.

Whenever Mr. Vyndktvx attacks Superman, be it him messing with the Kent's car, sabotaging a space mission, or making a deal with Superman's enemies, a manifestation of himself in the guise of a little man is always there physically.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

Since as far as I know he's a new character, his motivation can be whatever, but if I understand 5th dimension correctly by how Morrison portrayed it... Mxy views Superman stories just like a reader reading a book. He managed to woo Princess Nyxly by retelling her stories about Superman.

So Mxy Jr. maybe one of the readers of 3rd dimension too, and something angered him enough to make a world like this and drag YJ3 into it.

(Kinda like how in Mr. Vyndktvx's case he blamed Superman and decided to make his life miserable just because Mr. Mxyptlk used Superman stories to win over Princess Nyxly.)

As for Cissie, I'm thinking more of shapeshifting, as in it's never her to begin with.

Whenever Mr. Vyndktvx attacks Superman, be it him messing with the Kent's car, sabotaging a space mission, or making a deal with Superman's enemies, a manifestation of himself in the guise of a little man is always there physically.

So he will be straw fan. Great. I expect more bashing of Tim and Steph fans using him.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

I was wondering why did DC try to make Tim and Cassie a thing so many times?

[Frontier]

I was wondering why did DC try to make Tim and Cassie a thing so many times?

Conner was dead and they were two attractive people on a team together. Also drama.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

Conner was dead and they were two attractive people on a team together. Also drama.

Even the New 52 tried to push thhem and so did Young Justice.

[godisawesome]

I think Johns doing the relationship *once* meant a lot of others thought it must be “hit” with the audience… and I think Scott Lobdell sucked so much he just wanted to feed a bit of his more perky escapist thoughts with “Tim Drake” and “Cassie,” which is why he wound up writing sexual assault via mind control with them.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

Tim barely had a relationship with Cassie but she's treated like one of his major love interest to the point wikipedia mentions it on the front of Tim's page.

[redmax99]

Tim barely had a relationship with Cassie but she's treated like one of his major love interest to the point wikipedia mentions it on the front of Tim's page.

I mean he was casually dating Cassie and sleeping with Stephanie when he got pulled from the time stream so i say she was a major one

[godisawesome]

Tim barely had a relationship with Cassie but she's treated like one of his major love interest to the point wikipedia mentions it on the front of Tim's page.

Again: I think that just shows how much value people put on something Geoff Johns once did in his Teen Titans run, even if it was something in the doldrums of the end of his run.

I mean he was casually dating Cassie and sleeping with Stephanie when he got pulled from the time stream so i say she was a major one

I think that was much more “Scott Lobdell’s Teen Titans book was crap even after he left and Pfeifer relaunched it” than anything intentional on Tynion’s part at the time.

And I think that highlights another, arguably more nuanced point of the relationship: it was never a Robin/Red Robin/Detective Comics relationship for him, and only really existed in the Titans books and the Young Justice show.

It might honestly be overblown simply because comic Superboy got handled even worse than Tim, and because cartoon Superboy was with Miss Martian. If you want Cassie to have a personal life and Superboy’s off the table, it’s not like she’s got a lot of other established love interests.

[scary harpy]

My other idea for Tim other than Radar is Sonar, but then the GL villain would need to become something else.
Both would lean into Tim’s detective abilities and would have him use tech to augment his senses and help solving crimes. I think that should be his niche.
Of course Bruce will always be seen as the greatest detective, but he has so much else to take care of that I think the franchise could use someone more “specialised”. I can see Tim becoming a bigger player in the DCU with this new role too.

I like your idea for Tim's niche.

We can all suggest names all day long...but an idea for Tim's unique role is more difficult to concieve.

[WebLurker]

I like your idea for Tim's niche.

We can all suggest names all day long...but an idea for Tim's unique role is more difficult to concieve.

Does he even have a niche, compared to the others?

[Frontier]

Does he even have a niche, compared to the others?

Depends how you look at it and what you expect from the other Robins.

[godisawesome]

Does he even have a niche, compared to the others?

I feel like he definitely had two previous niches compared to the others, in as much as anyone has niches: he was the Everyman “geek” Robin, usually using more detective skills to fight crime while juggling an everyday life (Dixon-era) and then he was the Chessmaster Robin, doubling down on planning and strategizing on top of the detective work when his everyday life was taken from him, causing some angst as he tried to rebuild it (Nicieza/Yost-era).

Now, I’d also argue that competent writers don’t limit the characters to their niches; about the best thing you can say about Scott Lobdell’s Jason Todd (the only Bat character he can write competently) is that his Jason could flit between street crime, space opera, and magical fights. Similarly, Dick has a prolific career are over the place whenever he’s got complete writers. For Tim, his best writers tended to mix in some globetrotting on top of everything, and that was always fun.

[NOCTPHOENIX]

I feel like he definitely had two previous niches compared to the others, in as much as anyone has niches: he was the Everyman “geek” Robin, usually using more detective skills to fight crime while juggling an everyday life (Dixon-era) and then he was the Chessmaster Robin, doubling down on planning and strategizing on top of the detective work when his everyday life was taken from him, causing some angst as he tried to rebuild it (Nicieza/Yost-era).

Now, I’d also argue that competent writers don’t limit the characters to their niches; about the best thing you can say about Scott Lobdell’s Jason Todd (the only Bat character he can write competently) is that his Jason could flit between street crime, space opera, and magical fights. Similarly, Dick has a prolific career are over the place whenever he’s got complete writers. For Tim, his best writers tended to mix in some globetrotting on top of everything, and that was always fun.

With regards to Tim's niche's do people think that these ones might be too similar to Bruce?