Originally Posted by
yash
No, dick's relevance comes from being 'not just' a Part of the batfamily, nightwing's whole point was trying to grow out of Batman's shadow and be his own superhero and person, before new 52 he had connections and a positive relationship with every major hero, that was his appeal, he quite literally had a sizeable audience when He was neither Robin or nightwing so I don't know what you are cooking, and now you are even revising history with 'it recieved a push' it received it at the tail end of it when it outdid expectations and it came in form of Robin eternal crossover where he got punched around by Harper, yeah push, again it's unfair considering the 'i won't read until NW is back' sentiment was loud at the time, and this 'well recieved' team wasn't well received untill Grayson became a thing, before that they were unproven dudes who proved themselves through Grayson, it's the reason why King and Mikel got promoted to Batman after it ended and Seeley became the sole writer of nightwing which was a sort of promotion as he didn't have to split the pay, you are either caught up in hindsight or forgetting a lot, putting those guys on this was not a push, it was a 'lets see what u guys got' and they went to bigger and better things just like most good NW writters always do
And you keep mistaking something about what I'm saying, I'm not saying NW/bludhaven/Barbra is damaging dick, I'm saying it puts a ceiling on how great stories can be told, if ric Grayson couldn't damage dick Grayson then barbra and bludhaven can't do all that much, as far as evidence, again you keep ommiting the context of that run, it was outselling everything not named batman and Harley, not because it was selling like hot cakes but because this was the time when dc was not selling well, it's the reason why rebirth happened, Grayson was one of DC's bright spots it certainly had more critical acclaim then this nightwing run did considering it was winning comic Book awards in Japan of all places, you again keep saying NW is a smarter business decision because it sells better, letts ignore the obstacles in Grayson's way for a moment, as I said before NW should be outselling Grayson, it has years of media appearences over it it should outsell it but if smarter business perspective is dictated by just what sells well right now then kaldur is not a smarter choice, neighter is Jace, neither is Yara, they are all getting outsold by nightwing of all things and yet dc keeps pushing them, it's precisely because it's not just about what sells right now that dc keeps pushing them, you keep saying there is no evidence that Grayson is the smarter business decision, I say you have no evidence to suggest that Nightwing in bludhaven can ever produce a story atc as good as 'the gauntlet' because by the time a writer builds a cast of great villains someone will decide that some of these are too good for just NW, it's not like we haven't seen this happen before, you keep making statments as if they are facts when they aren't and answer questions that I never asked, all I'm talking about is his ceiling as far as story potential goes in this setting and the potential for relevance in greater dcu, i don't see it, you can disagree but don't pass off your opinions by insisting they are facts particularly when you keep missing key details