Dick Grayson: Robin/Batman/Nightwing/Agent 37 Appreciation 2022

[ayanestar]

I mean I can't say I'm surprised, but it's still disappointing to see
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It looks like the Titans aren't even allowed to exist on a page if they're not death fodder.

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[Grayson - The Dark Heir]

Today's issue was just as beautiful and fun as ever, but there was one thing that had me rolling my eyes:
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I'm annoyed that Risk was chosen to be murdered. Killing off a Teen Titan comes off like a bad joke now. They're like the red shirts of DC.

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I mean I can't say I'm surprised, but it's still disappointing to see
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It looks like the Titans aren't even allowed to exist on a page if they're not death fodder.

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Agreed. Took me right out of the story. It especially sucks because the character in question has not been treated well in the past and almost had a cool re-introduction in this issue. Also, the person to do the thing is a nobody by our standards so it does nothing but remove a potentially interesting character off the board.

Otherwise it was a pretty cool issue. I like that we get at least something resembling Dick taking a larger role in the DCU now in this book.

Sucks that this one is mostly just setup for the next one, but technically that's always true of first time team-ups between heroes. Instead of the heroes fighting each other we get a flashback to kid Jon so that's a plus.

I hope Williamson treats all Titans better in Dark Crisis than Taylor does lol.

[Godlike13]

Eeh, that’s the kind of character that should be fodder. It also serves to make Dick more personally invested.

[Drako]

I hope Williamson treats all Titans better in Dark Crisis than Taylor does lol.

He killed an E-list Titan, before today nobody were claiming for Risk to come back.
Last issue the Titans were treated pretty well.

[Rac7d*]

I hope Williamson treats all Titans better in Dark Crisis than Taylor does lol.

Just a month ago everyone was prasing Taylor for his titans inclusion and hoped he would take over their book

[Grayson - The Dark Heir]

Just a month ago everyone was prasing Taylor for his titans inclusion and hoped he would take over their book

Because he seemed like he was more interested in fanservice that treated everyone well instead of the same old content we've gotten for decades. Guess it was my bad for giving Taylor any credit.

He killed an E-list Titan, before today nobody were claiming for Risk to come back.
Last issue the Titans were treated pretty well.

Some Titans were treated well for a fanservice issue. Dick was totally incompetent, but I was cool with that if a number of other characters who also deserve respect got some of that at his expense.

Either way, Risk dying after finally coming back did nothing for the story but distract from it.

Eeh, that’s the kind of character that should be fodder. It also serves to make Dick more personally invested.

He didn't seem any more invested than he usually is. Besides, it's a murder occurring in a city he's currently in. For a person like Dick, he should be invested regardless. I'd expect a lot more if a Titan died in his vicinity.

Ignoring that aspect too, I'm a Nightwing fan. I'm very much not a fan of characters used as fodder.

[ayanestar]

Eeh, that’s the kind of character that should be fodder. It also serves to make Dick more personally invested.

You are calling him fodder while claiming it will make Dick more personally invested. These two things contradict each other. Also, there was no reason to kill a Titans character, Dick would have been invested no matter what, it's a murder case after all. Besides, I have never been a big fan of writers bringing back old characters just to use them as fodder.

Just a month ago everyone was prasing Taylor for his titans inclusion and hoped he would take over their book

I still think he would be a good choice to establish the Titans' brand because nostalgia and some fanservice would definitely sell well, however I don't think we can expect anything new from him, so in the long-run he might not be the best choice.

[Claude]

It's a shame, really - you could hardly move on this forum for people saying how happy they were that Risk was still alive last week.

(It's comics. If anyone wanted to use him for anything, him having died would actually help.)

[Drako]

It's a shame, really - you could hardly move on this forum for people saying how happy they were that Risk was still alive last week.

(It's comics. If anyone wanted to use him for anything, him having died would actually help.)

All of the sudden everybody loves Risk.

Can wait for his appreciation thread.

[sifighter]

He killed an E-list Titan, before today nobody were claiming for Risk to come back.
Last issue the Titans were treated pretty well.

Also let’s face it this isn’t exactly the worse treatment that Risk has gotten. I remember both encounters with Superboy Prime and that time he got addicted to painkillers, became evil and worked with Slade, and grew that horrible mustache.

[ayanestar]

All of the sudden everybody loves Risk.

Can wait for his appreciation thread.

Nobody here is saying they love Risk. I simply don't approve of characters being used as fodder. I would have had the same reaction towards for any A-, B-, C-, D-, E- or F-list hero.

[Grayson - The Dark Heir]

It's a shame, really - you could hardly move on this forum for people saying how happy they were that Risk was still alive last week.

(It's comics. If anyone wanted to use him for anything, him having died would actually help.)

More like you can't go a page in this thread without the Tom Taylor defense force showing up lmao. Notice how none of you had anything to say about Risk dying until now because it didn't matter to the issue whatsoever, so you tell me how that helps the story. All we've gotten is people who can't deal with the idea that anyone would criticize Taylor's choice to kill Risk off.

Like, just maybe, the people that say they don't like the idea of using characters as fodder are going to stand by that whether it's an A-list or Z-list character? Maybe because the problem is that it's just a lazy writing choice and doesn't do anything to progress any characters in an organic way?

Just really weird reactions from some of you guys. Like I get it, you guys love the run. I liked this issue too. You should be able to deal with other people pointing out things they didn't like. Then again, I'm no mod, I can't tell you guys how or how not to react to something lol.

[Iclifton]

More like you can't go a page in this thread without the Tom Taylor defense force showing up lmao. Notice how none of you had anything to say about Risk dying until now because it didn't matter to the issue whatsoever, so you tell me how that helps the story. All we've gotten is people who can't deal with the idea that anyone would criticize Taylor's choice to kill Risk off.

Like, just maybe, the people that say they don't like the idea of using characters as fodder are going to stand by that whether it's an A-list or Z-list character? Maybe because the problem is that it's just a lazy writing choice and doesn't do anything to progress any characters in an organic way?

Just really weird reactions from some of you guys. Like I get it, you guys love the run. I liked this issue too. You should be able to deal with other people pointing out things they didn't like. Then again, I'm no mod, I can't tell you guys how or how not to react to something lol.

Yeah but this critique in particular is a great example of people just doing their absolute best to find something to complain about.

In a murder mystery story, fodder is necessary. Someone has to be killed. Taylor used a character literally nobody cared about. A nobody. And now we`ve got people saying " hopefully Williamson treats the Titans better Taylor does" even though just last issue he delivered a great portrayal of the Titans.

Totally cool to critique a book. But some people are just coming off as obvious haters.

[Iclifton]

Okay but if your writing a story about Nightwing and Superman trying to figure out who is killing super powered people, you kind have to kill a super powered person.

Fodder is kind of essential to super hero stories.

[Drako]

More like you can't go a page in this thread without the Tom Taylor defense force showing up lmao. Notice how none of you had anything to say about Risk dying until now because it didn't matter to the issue whatsoever, so you tell me how that helps the story. All we've gotten is people who can't deal with the idea that anyone would criticize Taylor's choice to kill Risk off.

Like, just maybe, the people that say they don't like the idea of using characters as fodder are going to stand by that whether it's an A-list or Z-list character? Maybe because the problem is that it's just a lazy writing choice and doesn't do anything to progress any characters in an organic way?

Just really weird reactions from some of you guys. Like I get it, you guys love the run. I liked this issue too. You should be able to deal with other people pointing out things they didn't like. Then again, I'm no mod, I can't tell you guys how or how not to react to something lol.

I reacted to you saying that Taylor doesn't treat the Titans well cause he killed a z-list character from the Titans history. You were not the first to complain about it and i didn't respond to them cause i don't care if they like or not, it's their opinion.

But to me it's was funny that a character like Risk dying would have such a reaction, but it's ok.