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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe Silveira View Post
    This is very wrong. You have a Batman sidekick, who is black, with no space in the Batfam, and Johns decides to use a black version of a white character.
    Wouldn't be the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Rat View Post
    Gosh its such a mistake for Dick to be in this book xD worse than Titans content. When will he be saved from this horrible characterization and writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeNightwingGreatAgain View Post
    Gosh its such a mistake for Dick to be in this book xD worse than Titans content. When will he be saved from this horrible characterization and writing.
    Of what flirting supporting his gf and sisters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Wouldn't be the first time.
    Titans TV show also did that with Tim.

    They are socially aware, attempting to be more inclusive but these two creative examples only highlight a lack of care and a baseline understanding [misunderstanding] of what Inclusion and diversity in media means.

    They know that there's original POC characters in the franchise, in the role already but not being used anywhere who could use the spotlight but they opt to race bend Caucasian characters who have been in the spotlight for decades.

    Dick is a PoC [they just made him a visibly ethnic minority] but the Tim race bend is just screams , Lack of care.

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    Dick and Jon side by side in Dark Crisis 2 was awesome to see.

    That brought a smile to my face. Jon flying into stop the bullet and Dick making that Clarke comment.

    It's always good to see DC remember that Dick Grayson was part of the OG Trinity. Superman, Batman and Robin. The World's Finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac7d* View Post
    Of what flirting supporting his gf and sisters
    Yeah, I don't see anything particularly wrong with Dick's writing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fergus View Post
    It's always good to see DC remember that Dick Grayson was part of the OG Trinity. Superman, Batman and Robin. The World's Finest.
    Indeed. Personally, My All-Time Favorite version (XD)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    How exactly? It needs Nightwing for sales, but the book’s content rarely reflects that.



    It can when it presents him as less than. It’s basic brand protection.
    The Bat franchise has done just as much harm to Dick in recent decades as the Titans have, if not more so.

    Or maybe the issue is the writers and editors and blaming one book is ridiculous. Especially since we wouldn't even have Nightwing if not for the Titans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The Bat franchise has done just as much harm to Dick in recent decades as the Titans have, if not more so.

    Or maybe the issue is the writers and editors and blaming one book is ridiculous. Especially since we wouldn't even have Nightwing if not for the Titans.
    In the last few decades the Bat franchise has given to Dick Batman and Robin, Black Mirror, Tomasi's Nightwing, Gates of Gotham and Grayson. Titans did nothing but pull down with them.
    The only way to get Titans back would be an explosive arrival like Hickman did with the X-Men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe Silveira View Post
    In the last few decades the Bat franchise has given to Dick Batman and Robin, Black Mirror, Tomasi's Nightwing, Gates of Gotham and Grayson. Titans did nothing but pull down with them.
    The only way to get Titans back would be an explosive arrival like Hickman did with the X-Men.
    The Bat family also gave us Dick cheating on Kory with Barbara, Devin Grayson's Tarantula plot, the Court of Owls nonsense and Ric Grayson. Even the current Nightwing book doesn't really portray him as all that more competent than what is seen in Titans.

    The Titans franchise through the various shows at least kept Dick relevant as more than Bruce's sidekick. Hell, the first Titans show played a big role in cleaning up Robin's reputation with mainstream audiences after Batman & Robin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The Bat franchise has done just as much harm to Dick in recent decades as the Titans have, if not more so.

    Or maybe the issue is the writers and editors and blaming one book is ridiculous. Especially since we wouldn't even have Nightwing if not for the Titans.
    And plenty of people were unhappy. Titans doesn’t get a pass with shitty portrayals. Especially when he’s more important to the continuous publishing of said franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    And plenty of people were unhappy. Titans doesn’t get a pass with shitty portrayals. Especially when he’s more important to the continuous publishing of said franchise.
    I see more people on this thread blaming Titans while ignoring all the crap Dick's gotten from the Bat franchise.

    And the idea he alone is keeping the Titans franchise afloat is questionable given even Dick's own sales struggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    I see more people on this thread blaming Titans while ignoring all the crap Dick's gotten from the Bat franchise.

    And the idea he alone is keeping the Titans franchise afloat is questionable given even Dick's own sales struggles.
    Last Titans book without him lasted what, an arc. He is unquestionably still the franchises biggest drawing player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The Bat family also gave us Dick cheating on Kory with Barbara, Devin Grayson's Tarantula plot, the Court of Owls nonsense and Ric Grayson. Even the current Nightwing book doesn't really portray him as all that more competent than what is seen in Titans.

    The Titans franchise through the various shows at least kept Dick relevant as more than Bruce's sidekick. Hell, the first Titans show played a big role in cleaning up Robin's reputation with mainstream audiences after Batman & Robin.
    Your buggin,

    1, He was born of the bat faranchise it is his home and always will be. Batman has made dick grayson present in most media every decade since his debut. To fight against that is ludacris.

    2, Teen titans was popular and entertaining but it was no more successful then anything else on cartoon network PPG, Ben 10. The titans are not a million dollar revenue earning brand the way Batman and superman are. They are a small piece of the larger DC. That animated series that ended in 2006 almost 17 years ago was there popularity peak since their 80s comics run. Its not doing anything for him today, when its outlived by its American chibi successor TTgo.

    The titans may have been DCs answer to the xmen once upon a time, but the brand is no where close near as strong today. It in fact is more reliant upon Dick grayson himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac7d* View Post
    Your buggin,

    1, He was born of the bat faranchise it is his home and always will be. Batman has made dick grayson present in most media every decade since his debut. To fight against that is ludacris.
    I'm not "fighting" against anything.

    2, Teen titans was popular and entertaining but it was no more successful then anything else on cartoon network PPG, Ben 10. The titans are not a million dollar revenue earning brand the way Batman and superman are. They are a small piece of the larger DC. That animated series that ended in 2006 almost 17 years ago was there popularity peak since their 80s comics run. Its not doing anything for him today, when its outlived by its American chibi successor TTgo.
    Batman being a million dollar brand and it actually helping Dick are two different things. Let's not forget what Dick's reputation was like with mainstream audiences thanks to stuff like Batman and Robin.

    And yeah, TTG, much as I don't care for it is doing something for Dick by keeping him in the public eye. It's one of CN's highest rated shows for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Last Titans book without him lasted what, an arc. He is unquestionably still the franchises biggest drawing player.
    Johns's run didn't have Dick in it and lasted 50 issues from 2003 to 2007. The rest of the volume made it up to 100, ending in 2011.

    Dick's solo book regularly sells outside of the top 25, with his book being number 27 by units and 31 by dollar. I like the guy, but if he is the biggest draw of the Titans, it isn't saying much. If anything, he needs them as much as they need him, if not more.
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