Damian wayne robin appreciation 2022

[Morgoth]

I'm honestly not a fan of the idea of Damian becoming a magic user at all. It's so out of Batman's scope that I feel like it would just ban him from Batman's stories.

To be honest, I've got a suspicion, that it's one of the reasons.

[Rac7d*]

Hope DC doesn't sideline Damian as Robin as he not only fits the age but is the only POC (Middle Eastern in fact) to hold the title. It will be a bad look if they do.

I’m tired of fighting Tim drake

[dietrich]

I’m tired of fighting Tim drake

Lol! I think the fight is over. Tim has a lot of fans behind the scenes in contrast to Damian. A character editorial and others creatives has been trying to get rid off/stash away since Morrison left the main Batman title.

Tim already won this fight a while back when DC kept trying and trying and trying different things with the Character. They devoted a lot of effort, resources in the character since Damian became Robin [I don't think we've seen DC give any other bat character the number of chances and do overs as Tim]

They are clearly invested in Tim.
Damian on the other hand has always sold. he has yet to have a book that can be called a failure sales wise. Even the abysmal Damian Son of Batman had good sales and yet he keeps getting shafted. Sometimes by DC and most times by sheer bad luck [RSOB having to end due to a Reboot for example]

The positive is that thanks to his strong presence in outside media he's going to stick around. I also don't believe that if he does become a magic character that he'll be distanced from the Batfamily. Not anymore than he already has been.

I'm all for Damian becoming a magic character.

[dietrich]

Hope DC doesn't sideline Damian as Robin as he not only fits the age but is the only POC (Middle Eastern in fact) to hold the title. It will be a bad look if they do.

Not too bad a look since it'd be swapping one diversity character with another. Damian isn't the only POC to hold the Robin mantle [heck the upcoming Batwheels series has a Black Robin] and if DC wants to write a story with a POC Robin there's nothing stopping them even if he vacates the Role.

[Darkspellmaster]

I honestly think having Damian have something in addition to being Robin allows for use in different ways.

Dick is the acrobat

Jason is the street

Tim has Tech

Damian having Magic gives him an advantage.

Each are different then in various ways.

And I don't think Damian is going to be side lined. People do know that two Nightwings were running around when Chris Kent had the title. And Damian had the Robin name while Tim had Red Robin at the same time. And there was two Dick graysons for a while with Earth 2 and Earth 1. Damian can certainly be a strong lead in the world of magic.

[Aahz]

Damian having Magic gives him an advantage.

Not sure that would be really a good nice, Jason has magic since flashpoint and it is never used in Batfamily storylines, and that's the same with Duke's powers.

[Aahz]

Hope DC doesn't sideline Damian as Robin as he not only fits the age but is the only POC (Middle Eastern in fact) to hold the title. It will be a bad look if they do.

Honestly I don't think that Tim getting his first solo mini series since Flashpoint (seriously I think even Duke had more solo stories that Tim had since Flashpoint) is really much of a concern for Damian.

I mean even in the "Pride Special" Damian was in more stories than Tim, despite Tim being the LGBT Robin.

[adrikito]

How different are the comments above.. Not sure if be worried or think that everything will be fine for Damian.

I mean even in the "Pride Special" Damian was in more stories than Tim, despite Tim being the LGBT Robin.

I heard that it was a disaster in Jon story and that he only appeared like in 1-2 pages in Connor story..

So is not like this benefited him.

[OOPS]

For me, it's not sidelined so much as sales, especially going into a recession mixed with DC really needing to focus its line. Magic characters just aren't selling. That isn't to say a magic charcter can't be a good charcter, but rather what is catching on with readers. Jason is already tied to All Caste and all blades--and it didn't catch on. Signal's sales weren't great. Zatanna, Swamp Thing and Clayface barely move the needle. What sales is Batman. The sales for Robin were steady, not great be dependable. I'd hate to see him end up in the Taskforce Z or Outsiders end of the sales pool. Let's be honest, not even Wonder Woman or really even Superman sells at this point.

Batman (Bruce Wayne, Terry McGinis) sells. The further a charcter moves from being able to be used in Batman stories (detective/action) the less they can be used in the top selling line, which takes the charcter out of the majority of the actual DC readers eyes. For a charcter who isn't the favorite of writers to have poor sales would be a path to Bluebird.

[Rac7d*]

Lol! I think the fight is over. Tim has a lot of fans behind the scenes in contrast to Damian. A character editorial and others creatives has been trying to get rid off/stash away since Morrison left the main Batman title.

Tim already won this fight a while back when DC kept trying and trying and trying different things with the Character. They devoted a lot of effort, resources in the character since Damian became Robin [I don't think we've seen DC give any other bat character the number of chances and do overs as Tim]

They are clearly invested in Tim.
Damian on the other hand has always sold. he has yet to have a book that can be called a failure sales wise. Even the abysmal Damian Son of Batman had good sales and yet he keeps getting shafted. Sometimes by DC and most times by sheer bad luck [RSOB having to end due to a Reboot for example]

The positive is that thanks to his strong presence in outside media he's going to stick around. I also don't believe that if he does become a magic character that he'll be distanced from the Batfamily. Not anymore than he already has been.

I'm all for Damian becoming a magic character.

Uhh that not what I meant, I meant I realize that Tim is gonna be Peter Pan fine . But I guess we’ll see if his “fans” come thru for him. After over ten years of being made invisible Damian has made his mark and is certainly recognized. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched

[Aahz]

I heard that it was a disaster in Jon story and that he only appeared like in 1-2 pages in Connor story..

So is not like this benefited him.

My point is just that Damian is still used a lot (and has probably still more appearances than Tim), and that a lot of writers seem to like him.

I mean he just had a cross over event with Batman and Deathstroke, and his current series is/was written by the writer in charge of the current big event, and he has an upcoming Mini together with Batman.

I really see no indication that Damian get's sidelined by DC.

Yeah Tim gets currently a push (which is more than overdue at this point) but it doesn't look like it is at the expense of Damian.

[Morgoth]

Depends on which side to look at. On the one hand, Damian himself gets a good push, and given that the next big event will be about magic, as well as the fact that such a big figure as Waid is working on him, this means that the character is highly rated anyway. Many characters don't get half the attention Damian gets, many League members are in a worse position than him.
On the other hand, the way I see it, writers and editors in Bat-editorial are really more comfortable with pushing Damian away from Bat-Family, as far as possible. It's not that bad, because it turned out Damian worked perfect without them, but still, it seems to me, that they're desperately trying to make Tim work as Robin by pushing Damian away, because they want their ''childhood'' to be back again, probably also because some have a very conservative view of the relationship between Batman and Robin.
In any case, DC is clearly full of people who would love to get rid of him, and this will always be a danger.

[Darkspellmaster]

Not sure that would be really a good nice, Jason has magic since flashpoint and it is never used in Batfamily storylines, and that's the same with Duke's powers.

Problem with Jason is it doesn't make much sense to have him have magic. Most don't equal him with it, so none bother, Duke is another story though, but his seems limited in scope.

Damian I'm thinking more of a Wiccan type magic user, actual powers that can manifest, Dr. Strange style. Let him talk to the likes of Zantana. Constantine, and Jason Blood. Maybe bring in Klarion "bum bum bum" the witch boy, or Zack Zartar to work with him.

[dietrich]

I honestly think having Damian have something in addition to being Robin allows for use in different ways.

Dick is the acrobat

Jason is the street

Tim has Tech

Damian having Magic gives him an advantage.

Each are different then in various ways.

And I don't think Damian is going to be side lined. People do know that two Nightwings were running around when Chris Kent had the title. And Damian had the Robin name while Tim had Red Robin at the same time. And there was two Dick graysons for a while with Earth 2 and Earth 1. Damian can certainly be a strong lead in the world of magic.

They all have those skills. It's always baffles whenever the Robins are stripped down to a single trait/skill. Why remove all the layers and nuances from character that writers have spent years building up?


i get that it's meant to state what they specialise in but it doesn't because that's not correct.

Also God love Jason. He gets the streets lol.

[dietrich]

Depends on which side to look at. On the one hand, Damian himself gets a good push, and given that the next big event will be about magic, as well as the fact that such a big figure as Waid is working on him, this means that the character is highly rated anyway. Many characters don't get half the attention Damian gets, many League members are in a worse position than him.
On the other hand, the way I see it, writers and editors in Bat-editorial are really more comfortable with pushing Damian away from Bat-Family, as far as possible. It's not that bad, because it turned out Damian worked perfect without them, but still, it seems to me, that they're desperately trying to make Tim work as Robin by pushing Damian away, because they want their ''childhood'' to be back again, probably also because some have a very conservative view of the relationship between Batman and Robin.
In any case, DC is clearly full of people who would love to get rid of him, and this will always be a danger.

DC does not push Damian. WB pushed him at a point. The only time Damian was pushed by DC was when he was new. Something that all characters get.