Loki Appreciation 2022

[Emoandlazy]

Np!

Yeah, I hope he will just stick around the young avengers forever honestly.mostly because I love superhero teams with young adults/teenagers and it would be nice if Loki didn't have to do everything alone.

Althought I do agree he probably only gonna appear in defenders beyond. There is still a possibility he might appear in the young avengers on going since defenders beyond takes place in the past.

[Yoruno]

Meanwhile...
https://www.cbr.com/al-ewing-defende...ond-interview/

[Raye]

Sorry got distracted again, and somehow got unsubbed from this thread, so just to catch up:

That interview was interesting, this bit jumped out at me for Loki
"Still, that gives us some fun opportunities to play with time, causality, and the difference between an alternate version of a character -- a "variant" if you will -- and the true one."
so Ewing does consider this Defenders Loki to be a variant, but it was strange that a bit later that Loki would end up at a crossroads and he wasn't sure which way Loki would go, which seems to imply this Loki does not in fact just go back in time to the end of Agent of Asgard like i had assumed. If Loki had, then the course would be clear, as it has already been written, in Thor, Dr Strange, the newer solo, etc.

*edited to add - I think Loki in Defenders will be one place he appears but I think Thor and the Jane Foster stuff will also have some big things for Loki, and those ones will be the 'main' Loki. Thor tho is kinda taking it's sweet time to get anywhere, though, which makes it seem like little is happening, but I do still feel like Loki will have some big things happen there.

Sure.

In Arrakki society, they worship gods that can earn the right to be worshipped through combat. One of the imprisoned gods escaped and Kurt teams up with an Arraki mutant to find them. The fan theory is this figure is loki due to the description being a horned god/God of mischief.

Another antagonist is Skinjacker who possess people. In issue 2 he is revealed to have learned magic from a mysterious figure who could be the God Kurt is after.

Fans jumped on this God being Loki but I'm not convinced as the evidence feels circumstancial.

My initial post was me saying it would be cool if Loki and the other Agardians had more interactions with the Arraki mutants.

Hm, well, it does look like him but it feels out of character for Loki right now, and my gut is saying the hints pointing to Loki are a red herring. Though unrelated to the specifics here, i have sometimes thought Loki being a mutant of some kind could work. They've incorporated non-human mutants before, like Broo, and Warlock, etc. and Loki IS really unusual for a frost giant, in that he's you know, not 'giant' at all. A discrepancy that's only grown with time as Marvel has made the giants increasingly larger and less human looking over the years. But it was more of a fleeting thought, not something i thought might actually happen.

It feels a little too odd for Loki to start problems just for fun? as he seems to be trying to be a peaceful guy in Thor (2022).plus he helped reunite the realms with Thor it would be very weird for him to start yet another war.

Feels like people who are jumping into this conclusion isn't that updated with Loki.

Unless they're gonna say Loki is just like that because people who preys for him, people who believe in his experience and people around him presive him as such and so he can't compeletly change.

But it would be cool for him to at least have some history with them!

I think it's just writers being a bit slow on the uptake, sometimes. the core Thor books steer the ship and that's what we should pay most attention to, i think, as far as overall character development. Sometimes writers of the more side storeis will have an idea for Loki that's more suited for older Loki and doesn't quite fit and...

As for the Pride issue! First off, I thought it was interesting that Loki is int he Hanged Man pose from the Tarot.



I personally don't put a lot of stock into Tarot, but my sister was big into it for a while when she was in her Wicca phase, and loved doing readings, so this stuck out to me, and I am sure is intentional. The Hanged man represents a person who sees the world from a different perspective than most, or someone who has had their own perspective shift, and can represent a pause at a crossroads, before taking a new course of action or direction in life. When the Hanged Man is reversed (upside down, like on the following page) it is a sign that you are ready to move forward after this pause with your changed perspective. So it is very, very fitting for Loki. Nice detail.

Also uh, lol Loki's has a colourful love life. And hey, Sigyn is alive apparently. But it was cute, and I hope this is a sign he does appear in the new YA series, even though he hasn't been shown in promo material for it yet, and this is different writers.

Second story, did not like so much, the comments above pretty much reflect my own thoughts, so won't get into it much. But Loki did feel a bit out of character, and yeah, not in the best taste at the end there. But what i said above about the side stories does still hold so i would not put a whole lot of weight on it even if it is a bit disappointing


btw. That sucks about the VPN being blocked, if you want some more.. uh, non-poropaganda takes on events you can PM me, since I doubt CBR is high on their list of sites to block, and I'm keeping real close tabs on that. Or I recommend Daily Kos, in particular the entries by Mark Sumner or Kos, if they haven't blocked that. But I hear after Snake Island being withdrawn from by Russia, the spin is getting even more insane. ("goodwill" my ass, they got their asses kicked, and immediately attacked Odesa in retaliation)

[Yoruno]

Hello Raye, I have to admit I was even worried not seeing you, but everything seems to be fine, so I'm glad to see you again!
VPN spoilers:

is fine now. From time to time they try to block YouTube, VPN, other things, the Ban works for a while and then everything goes back to normal. Our authorities steal so much from every sphere possible that I guess they stole everything they could from their own IT defense systems, no surprise they don't work now, heh. I'm following the course of things and do what I can. Plane spotting can sometimes be a very useful hobby, if you understand what I mean

end of spoilers
Great observation about the Hanged Man card! As for this Arraki thing, either I remember it wrong or there's Old Loki's silhouette on the next cover, so -
Aaand, great news, today Loki bit Alligator Loki!

[Raye]

Yeah, I just got distracted by twitter and reddit, did some resin, and Civilization where had a good game with Brazil with some tasty yield porn (I like to play on marathon so games take a while), and no emails came notifying me of replies, i must have unsubbed by accident at some point somehow. Oh and I helped buy some Bayraktars

I hope it isn't Loki in the X-Men, cus it's definitely coming off as villainous and really old school, and does not mesh with how he is being portrayed in the Asgard books at all. Anyway I am way behind on X-Men because there's just so many books, so i wait for them to hit Unlimited rather than get them as they come out, so i will have to get caught up there i guess, if it does end up being Loki. It just does not feel right to me though, despite the artwork teases

Alligator Loki! forgot about that coming out, so read it, and the last Meow comic just now. Both cute, the fight in Alligator Loki was funny, and of course Loki plus Squirrel Girl is always fun, over in Meow.

Oh, had another thought about the Pride issue, in the first story. I did note that Zelma was not there, presumably because she does not feel particularly scorned, so that may be a small sign that they might still rekindle things, I thought they were cute. I would still like Loki to have a male love interest on panel, even if it doesn't last long, but I guess this story kind of covered that in a way. Even if they were mad at him now, there were several men there, and Hercules was mentioned too, which is still more than the merely verbal expressions of his sexuality before this, it gives Loki a past with some male lovers.

spoilers:

And that's good, just with how things are going, they clearly want to seal Russia off from the West, keep you in the propaganda bubble, (which, btw, is fucking insane, you have my sympathies. We've got some sketchy 'news' here but at least there is a choice and it's not THAT divorced from reality, and you can openly call it out when it's wrong) and I fear it may soon succeed. I hear a lot of Russians are going to Georgia because no visa is required, though I know that's still hard, and getting harder. But yeah, the grift and corruption has been in a way a silver lining, making it a lot harder for them to accomplish their goals! But in failing on key strategic goals, (3 days has turned into 4 months, failed to take Kyiv, failed to stop NATO expansion, NATO more united than ever and pumping Ukraine full of weapons, and greatly increasing it's spending/readiness, Ukraine and Moldova are EU candidates, and now with the loss of Snake Island, and the destruction of the Black Sea oil/gas rigs, Odesa has been thoroughly put out of reach, and the grain blockade may fail, not to mention over 30k soldiers killed, which is staggering, and billions in equipment losses, that can't be replaced with sanctions. Even if they take Donbas, Russia has already lost, they just won't admit it.) they seem to be lashing out against civilians more, which sucks. They seem to think at some point we'll throw up our hands and give up if they are just barbaric enough, when in reality every shopping mall or apartment building hit strengthens resolve.

end of spoilers

[Yoruno]

They could have forgotten about Zelma. Amora isn't there, too (well, I have an impression that for the most part Loki and Enchantress had more of a business relationship, but they were obviously a couple during the Axis event).

[Raye]

Though, during Axis they were both having their minds messed with, so afterwards I think they were both like 'let's pretend that never happened'

Still, villains don't tend to have their love lives (or friendships for that matter) explored much, it's just not a priority unless it's part of their tragic origin or whatever. So besides Sigyn who he was married to mostly because that was part of the myths, until she just kinda disappeared one day, it just wasn't a priority for Loki. But now that Loki is more of a protagonist, I'd like to see that explored. They gave him some friends, like Verity, and sort of the Young Avengers, and Squirrel Girl, even Wolverine. And that's great, but Loki's been in more of a protagonist mode for over 10 years now, and though Loki's shown some interest in a few characters, Zelma is the only one where it advanced to an actual romantic relationship, however briefly. (and not the result of their minds being messed with) I just think that now that he's been in good(ish) guy territory for more than a decade, that should be explored a bit more, and Zelma's already got the beginnings in the works there.

[Emoandlazy]

so Ewing does consider this Defenders Loki to be a variant

The Loki he's using in the defenders is the Loki of the seventh cosmos . If you read what she said carefully in Thor #24 she mentioned that the thing she saw was heading toward the reality after hers which literally means she's the Loki of the seventh's cosmos since the one after it is the eighth cosmos she also told our Loki that her story is over and now it's his to take to wherever he wants.

The last time the cosmos got destroyed instead of turning into a new one, The world restarted back where it left off, so this means our Loki did still get reborned as the God of stories and everything in agent of asgard did still happened expect instead of leaving his mother's and asgard side he stayed that's the only explanation that makes sense to me to why and how was Loki back at freyja's side after the ending of agent of asgard in the Thor title comic at least for now I would really have to wait and see.

[Habis]

The Loki he's using in the defenders is the Loki of the seventh cosmo. If you read what she said carefully in Thor #24 she mentioned that the thing she saw was heading toward the reality after hers imbling she's the Loki of seventh's cosmo. And she also told our Loki that her story is over and now it's his to take to wherever he wants.

The last time the reality got destroyed instead of turning into a different one, The world restarted backwhere it left off, so this means our Loki did still get reborned as the God of stories and everything in agent of asgard did still happened expect instead of leaving his mother's and asgard side he stayed that's the only explanation that makes sense to me at least for now I would really have to wait and see.

The Loki from the Seventh Cosmos still escaped, either to the past of the Seventh Cosmos, or to another, previous Cosmos, so they are still around, and they have a permanent door to the Eigth Cosmos, so they still can be used as much as the writers wish... so there are effectively two Lokis now...

[Emoandlazy]

Two Lokis seems like a neat thing. This way if a writer doesn't wanna do the whole Loki is a king now they can use the happy hobo one instead.But I don't really think the hobo one would get used a lot as he seems too op at the moment but we will have to wait and see how op he is.

[Raye]

Granted, I've never cared much for all the cosmic stuff, but But the 7th and 8th Cosmos aren't parallel, they're sequential, aren't they? 1st leads to 2nd, leads to 3rd etc. until we get to the current MU, the 8th, with Galactus being a survivor of the 7th. This is still just time travel, just on an ENORMOUS scale, travelling back to before the current universe came to be. And with the Black Winter being mentioned, it may show how Galactus ended up it's herald. I mean, Blue Marvel and America Chavez are in it but I don't think anyone is arguing there are now two of them, or that they are native to the 7th Cosmos, so... Like, Loki in the story in the Thor issue didn't act at all like they had come from a different reality, they treated present day Loki as if their pasts were the same, up to a point, they were just visiting their own future, so clearly still from the 8th, just visiting the 7th during Defenders. So yeah Ewing saying Loki would end up at a crossroads was strange but... I still am getting the impression this is essentially time travel, one character at different points in time, it may jut be that Loki will end up spending a lot more time in the past before going back, being immortal, that is possible.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

I saw Multiverse of Madness last night and it got me thinking Loki and Stephen should interact more.

MoM leans into Strange's characterization as a Chessmaster from Infinity War. He could be the Order to Loki's Chaos.

[Yoruno]

Loki filming has started, there are posters on the set featuring Zaniac, a villain from early Thor comics. https://thedirect.com/article/loki-s...el-easter-eggs
I think it's what it is, just an Easter egg, the actual villain will be different. There're also some pics that show Loki and Mobius wearing tuxedos or tailcoats!

[Raye]

Well those are certainly some continuity deep cuts. Definitley not characters I'd expect to see in the MU, but yeah they are probably just eastereggs.

Here's the pics showing Loki and Mobius in tuxes, doing some kind of mission in the 70s! It is also set in London, so seems to be part of the same scene, some kind of movie premiere, the costumes on the movie posters do seem to fit a late 70s aesthetic.
https://thedirect.com/article/loki-s...ing-set-photos

Don't they look stylish! Kind of interesting after the cliffhanger ending last season Loki and Mobius are back at doing missions almost like nothing had happened, but they may be filming episodes out of order, getting all the London stuff done before moving filming locations back to Georgia, even if some of this may be later in the season. (at least I presume they will be filming mostly in Georgia, most Marvel stuff is filmed there, including season 1 of Loki)

Still, will not be satisfied until I see them filming a scene on a Jet Ski.

I saw Multiverse of Madness last night and it got me thinking Loki and Stephen should interact more.

MoM leans into Strange's characterization as a Chessmaster from Infinity War. He could be the Order to Loki's Chaos.

you mean in the MCU? Cus in the comics, bit of trouble there with Strange being dead at the moment... but either way, yeah it could be fun. in the MCU Loki will be back to having never met Strange before, and I'd like to see things go a bit more in Loki's favor in their second first meeting!

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

Well those are certainly some continuity deep cuts. Definitley not characters I'd expect to see in the MU, but yeah they are probably just eastereggs.

Here's the pics showing Loki and Mobius in tuxes, doing some kind of mission in the 70s! It is also set in London, so seems to be part of the same scene, some kind of movie premiere, the costumes on the movie posters do seem to fit a late 70s aesthetic.
https://thedirect.com/article/loki-s...ing-set-photos

Don't they look stylish! Kind of interesting after the cliffhanger ending last season Loki and Mobius are back at doing missions almost like nothing had happened, but they may be filming episodes out of order, getting all the London stuff done before moving filming locations back to Georgia, even if some of this may be later in the season. (at least I presume they will be filming mostly in Georgia, most Marvel stuff is filmed there, including season 1 of Loki)

Still, will not be satisfied until I see them filming a scene on a Jet Ski.



you mean in the MCU? Cus in the comics, bit of trouble there with Strange being dead at the moment... but either way, yeah it could be fun. in the MCU Loki will be back to having never met Strange before, and I'd like to see things go a bit more in Loki's favor in their second first meeting!

I'm ok with either happening. The MCU would be easier but death is rarely permanent in comics. So Stephen will be back soon enough.