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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    "heroic redemption growth that Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have been given"

    lmfao. Tell me some more sweet little lies.
    I don't know anything about Harley and Poison Ivy, but I thought they were now that kind of anti heroes that everyone likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianne View Post
    I don't know anything about Harley and Poison Ivy, but I thought they were now that kind of anti heroes that everyone likes.
    Well, yes unfortunately. One of the many reasons we live in the bad timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianne View Post
    I know that post-rebirth Barbara could have some kind of redemption, but since in my mind Cheetah is George Perez's sadistic Minerva, I must say that I hope that doesn't never happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    "heroic redemption growth that Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have been given"

    lmfao. Tell me some more sweet little lies.
    #KeepCheetahEvil

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianne View Post
    I don't know anything about Harley and Poison Ivy, but I thought they were now that kind of anti heroes that everyone likes.
    Harley in the comics is a "hero"(... at least that's what everyone in the comics is saying...) outside the comics she's still anti-hero

    Poison Ivy killed a bunch of innocent factory workers to destroy an industrial power-plant in a comic last year, so don't know what these people are talking about her being an anti-hero. They're probably thinking of the Harley Quinn Animated Series.
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    Eh, split the difference. Bring back one of the other Cheetahs like Priscilla or Deborah and let them have the redemption arc. Theres four of the things littering the rogues gallery. Couldn't hurt to redeem one or two of em

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    Cheetah being redeemed would rob WW of one of her most prominent Rogues, it’s as likely to happen as Lex becoming redeemed (i.e. not at all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    Cheetah being redeemed would rob WW of one of her most prominent Rogues, it’s as likely to happen as Lex becoming redeemed (i.e. not at all).
    Remember like two or three years ago when Cheetah smashed Wonder Woman's bracelets, broke her lasso and invaded Themyscira? It was supposed to be this big monumental story that showcased Cheetah as a powerhouse and Diana's arch-nemesis.

    If you don't it's okay, because unfortunately the story was pretty much forgetable and that's Cheetah's problem. At this point I'd welcome her redemption arc and new view as an anti-hero. It's not like being a villain is doing us any favors, she hasn't been scary since Perez.

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    It actually could be interesting to see Cheetah try to redeem herself for a few years before she inevitably succumbs to villainy again.

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    I love Cheetah as well but I'm not sure she falls into a character that can be redeemed. I like her as a jealous, bloodthirsty predator bent on revenge for being cursed by Urzkataga. Not every villain can be reformed or will be a more appealing character if they’re reformed. Cheetah works best as a straight up villain to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    Remember like two or three years ago when Cheetah smashed Wonder Woman's bracelets, broke her lasso and invaded Themyscira? It was supposed to be this big monumental story that showcased Cheetah as a powerhouse and Diana's arch-nemesis.

    If you don't it's okay, because unfortunately the story was pretty much forgetable and that's Cheetah's problem. At this point I'd welcome her redemption arc and new view as an anti-hero. It's not like being a villain is doing us any favors, she hasn't been scary since Perez.
    I agree she’s sucked more often than not, but Rucka gave a solid foundation for how she works and it’s on the writers who followed that keep failing to do anything with it. Hell when was the last time any of Diana’s villains had a major story that actually successfully demonstrated why they’re awesome? Circe in the Witching War I’d argue, but outside of that it’s slim pickings. Failure to do something cool with the villains doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
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    Well, if Conrad brings love of Cheetah up I assume something is in the plans for them to use Cheetah at some point even if I don't want it to be a redemption story.

    Also I want a good Circe design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Well, if Conrad brings love of Cheetah up I assume something is in the plans for them to use Cheetah at some point even if I don't want it to be a redemption story.

    Also I want a good Circe design.
    But you do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    But you do.

    Explain to me how though ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Explain to me how though?
    It's not her best but it's a perfectly acceptable outfit for the run Rucka was writing and characterization he gave her. She's had some far more major swings and misses.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    It's not her best but it's a perfectly acceptable outfit for the run Rucka was writing and characterization he gave her. She's had some far more major swings and misses.

    For like a one issue appearance where she doesn't go all out and is more low-key, I understand, I didn't even hate it initially, but for a major WW villainess and one of the strongest magical beings in the DCU and who is known for her vibrancy and flamboyant nature...it feels way too normal. Like, I just don't think it makes any sense as her de-facto look and it just makes her look out of place and unimpressive the more they use it.

    How is the middle a miss? Aside from the episode not using her to her full potential.

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