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    Those have to be incomplete numbers that don’t give us the whole picture because otherwise good God is this run DOA.
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    Well, I guess even Cates can't sell a book nobody is all that enthused about .

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    EDIT: Nevermind.
    Last edited by Username taken; 04-26-2022 at 04:22 PM.

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    Yeah, so Comichron has projected sales and it's much higher for Hulk.

    Hulk #3 did about 71k.

    https://comichron.com/monthlycomicss...2/2022-01.html

    The projections is because Marvel isn't Diamond exclusive anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    Those have to be incomplete numbers that don’t give us the whole picture because otherwise good God is this run DOA.
    This is correct, it's only a glimpse, and likely doesn't include the sheer number of variants.

    As stated below:
    The "Estimated Units" column is based directly on Diamond's reported Order Index numbers, and both the Units and Dollar rankings are the ones in the report Diamond released. By default, the table shows Diamond's original rankings. Diamond applies a 10% penalty to returnable issues, and this is noted by an asterisk (*) by the issue's number.

    These are the numbers I've listed which come from ICV2. And like I said the market changed a lot with Covid to the point where it wasn't really viable to compare things with previous numbers. Add in digital numbers, etc. and it's again hard to tell.. mostly I just posted the numbers for trending comparisons. Immortal went up and down out of the blue sometimes with no real pattern. Presumably the trade numbers started going up as readers switched from singles to collected, etc.

    PRH is Penguin and Random House.

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    The "Projected" column in yellow restores that penalty to returnable issues in order to show the actual number that retailers ordered — and it also projects the number of copies that Marvel sold overall, based on the percentage of Marvel's business that Diamond retained in October 2021 when Marvel moved its distribution business to Penguin Random House, which is estimated to be around 36%. To resort the chart to see where Marvel and returnable titles probably ranked, click on the arrow atop the "Projected" column. If you want to restore the original order, just click on the "Units" column.

    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Yeah, so Comichron has projected sales and it's much higher for Hulk.

    Hulk #3 did about 71k.

    https://comichron.com/monthlycomicss...2/2022-01.html

    The projections is because Marvel isn't Diamond exclusive anymore.
    Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't posting to give the wrong impression. I realized I hadn't posted Immortal numbers for a while and it kept me busy at work for a bit until I got called away.

    It's always hard to compare launches, given the number of events/special issues/etc which is why Batman was the comparison title for the longest time, but everyone had to switch up distributors (to be fair, Covid forced a lot of people to switch up their business models to survive) Everyone should again keep in mind these are just for trending purposes. Issues 2 and 3 almost always drop by half as retailers are ordering blind and can reorder adjusting from huge #1 orders (which everyone buys a lot of). Incentive covers, double shipping, and a number of other issues can make comparisons difficult.

    Immortal launched directly out of 2 events and Ewing managed to beat his sales curse trend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Yeah, so Comichron has projected sales and it's much higher for Hulk.

    Hulk #3 did about 71k.

    https://comichron.com/monthlycomicss...2/2022-01.html

    The projections is because Marvel isn't Diamond exclusive anymore.
    Yeah that is way more reasonable for a relaunch with Cates on the book.
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    Yea unfortunately the book seems to be doing well in terms of numbers after i did some bit of digging myself... Issue 6 according to Bleeding Cool has outsold Batman https://bleedingcool.com/comics/hulk...stseller-list/

    It's just unfortunate, as it seems this book will stay here for a while, despite the awful quality of the content....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Honestly, the MOST disappointing part of this run by far has been the fact that Banner has not turned up the engine, waved his hand and said, "Enrage." before taking off.
    Congrats, now you made the comic even worse for me .

    Quote Originally Posted by Intothevoid View Post
    Yea unfortunately the book seems to be doing well in terms of numbers after i did some bit of digging myself... Issue 6 according to Bleeding Cool has outsold Batman https://bleedingcool.com/comics/hulk...stseller-list/

    It's just unfortunate, as it seems this book will stay here for a while, despite the awful quality of the content....
    That's baffling, is it an Immortal Hulk carry-over? Invincible guy's art being that liked? Cates' name being that big after Venom? All of the options combined?

    I'm not saying Hulk is unpopular, just that outselling Batman is no small feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Congrats, now you made the comic even worse for me .



    That's baffling, is it an Immortal Hulk carry-over? Invincible guy's art being that liked? Cates' name being that big after Venom? All of the options combined?

    I'm not saying Hulk is unpopular, just that outselling Batman is no small feat.
    It’s just for a couple stores, and Hulk just got a shiny new number 1 with a high profile creative team. Be a bigger shock if it didn’t outsell Batman given he’s currently in the midst of a filler run until Zdarsky takes over. Plus it didn’t beat the main Bat title, just two of the 15 Bat titles DC is putting out. Still doing well for now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Congrats, now you made the comic even worse for me .
    You're welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinosaur Hulk View Post
    Hmmmm chained gamma monster, I think I've seen that one before... can't put my mind to it.
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    Yeah, it's just a silly joke, I know cover artists just reuse the same 50 ideas.

    I am actually surprised no one brought back Caiera yet.
    what is the Hulk's track record with female foes? How many have become recurring, if at all, over the years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    what is the Hulk's track record with female foes? How many have become recurring, if at all, over the years?
    From memory, there's not a lot of them.

    The main one I recall is Vapor from the U-Foes... he tends to thunderclap her away or breathe her in and blow her elsewhere. I think once he attacked her with another substance do to a science attack (probably a Banner controlled Hulk)

    Anyways here's a list:
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...lRoguesGallery
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...kRoguesGallery

    Mercy
    Blackbird
    Glazier
    Gamma Corp - Mess
    Jailbait & Ogress (Leader's creations)
    Ms Modok (one time creation of MODOK)

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    Moonstone used to be a big one I think, but I don't think they've fought since the 90s (When the Thunderbolts debuted in IH).

    He also fought Umar in Defenders and Heart of the Monster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Moonstone used to be a big one I think, but I don't think they've fought since the 90s (When the Thunderbolts debuted in IH).

    He also fought Umar in Defenders and Heart of the Monster.
    Wow, can't believe I forgot about Moonstone

    As far as Umar, did they really.. fight? :P

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    As an aside, was it always known that the Thor vs Hulk thing would explain what went down at the bar at El Paso? Somehow I missed that part.

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    Sigh. Kevin Maguire's Umar.

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