Diamond Dame EMMA FROST appreciation

[airdreams]

Well there was their trip to the Savage Land, at least several under Matt Fractions Uncanny run, one in Cable, one in Heralds, and a few in Astonishing after Whedon left. But it isn't just the bed scenes that I take issue with. It's that this seemed to be the only way Marvel ever showed any depth in the Cyclops/Emma relationship. But that's not how a relationship is developed. Look at other established relationships like Reed/Sue or even Luke Cage/Jessica Jones. They actually had meaningful development that gave a good sense as to why these characters were right for each other. We never really got that with Cyclops/Emma after a while. They were just together because nobody bothered to break them up until Bendis came along. I think it got to a point where it started to be detrimental to both characters, especially Emma Frost. It turned Emma Frost into Cyclops's arm candy and unlike Jean Grey, she didn't have a history of iconic stories like the Phoenix Saga or Inferno to build on. I think Cyclops/Emma certainly could have become a very mature, very adult relationship. But it never did and I think that's because Marvel wanted to keep Emma as their super sexy mutant vixen. I can understand why they would want that, but I think it does a disservice to her character.

I don't give a damn about whether you like the relationship between Emma and Scott and the reason of it, frankly.

You describe Emma/Scott as a "porno", which "became one bed scene after another" because, as you posted above, there were seven, or eight bed scenes in nearly ten years. What a reason.

[Fokken]

Is it wrong that I'm GLAD they portrayed Scott and Emma in bed, in a sexual manner.
Not just "Oh its morning and we sleep in the same bed" but actively engaging in their shared sex life.

Its really part of why I enjoy them as a couple so much. Not because I'm a perv but because its not often depicted.
Couples argue, couples domesticate, couples do the mega defensive thing when one of them is captured/injured/missing, etc.
I loved seeing Emma make comments about Scott, or to Scott, that made the other cast members uncomfortable, in regard to being turned on, and then the writer/artist having the nerve to follow through.

Sex is a part of life so I appreciate that sex was a part of theirs. Just sharing my thoughts after seeing that particular detail discussed.

[airdreams]

I'm so curious about it, I hope this is from today's UXM. Maybe is true that "good thing are coming for Emma"

According to Bendis's interview, the Will is totally irrelevant to Emma... I doubt anything meaningful will happen to her really

[AnaFrost01]

According to Bendis's interview, the Will is totally irrelevant to Emma... I doubt anything meaningful will happen to her really

Maybe the will itself is irrelevant to her, but I don't know I still have hopes that something nice is coming for her, perhaps she'll be more important after the consequences of the will came all exactly because she'll be less affected as Mags, Scott, Kitty and even Illyana will be hit hard with what came out of it, Emma is the last adult that remained to really take care of the NXS and the so called "revolution". Or I'm just being to optimist

[ExodusCloak]

According to Bendis's interview, the Will is totally irrelevant to Emma... I doubt anything meaningful will happen to her really

Did he say she wasn't relevant to it?

[Phoenix Egg]

... and has done nothing.

Good to know the so-called reason you hate Emma here is not what she's done, but just where she is and what kind of a role she plays. "I hate you because you are here", very interesting.

Edit:
I know you are by no means a fan of Emma, Phoenix Egg, and I don't really care about why you dislike (hate) the character, but this one is too invalid to be ignored. Jean erases Emma from existence; Jean alters the reality; Jean becomes Scott's girlfriend again, so you say that's why you have to try very hard not to hate Emma?

Your friend like coming here to start those fights though.

Honestly guys, and I don't say this to be mean, but it's a reading comprehension thing. I think I was fairly clear on the notion that I struggle with like/hate feelings for Emma because of the role the character plays in the ongoing triangle that reduces Jean's character in addition to Emma's. Further, it was obvious that I posted the info on this shitty story to share the news of more trashing of Jean's and Emma's characters. I know Cyke is you two's favorite character, but put that aside for a minute and look at how Emma is used in their stories together, and if you really dig Emma, you'll probably find fault with the "weak female character" version that seems to be her default character when it comes to this lame triangle.

[AnaFrost01]

Just read the 100th anniversary issue....it was just disappointing

[zeddfrost]

Is it wrong that I'm GLAD they portrayed Scott and Emma in bed, in a sexual manner.
Not just "Oh its morning and we sleep in the same bed" but actively engaging in their shared sex life.

Its really part of why I enjoy them as a couple so much. Not because I'm a perv but because its not often depicted.
Couples argue, couples domesticate, couples do the mega defensive thing when one of them is captured/injured/missing, etc.
I loved seeing Emma make comments about Scott, or to Scott, that made the other cast members uncomfortable, in regard to being turned on, and then the writer/artist having the nerve to follow through.

Sex is a part of life so I appreciate that sex was a part of theirs. Just sharing my thoughts after seeing that particular detail discussed.

I agree wholheartedly. I'm not saying Jean is a prude...she probably wasn't. But the fact that Emma was willing to explore this side of Scott, and have him feel safe to do so, makes her, IMO, a better match for him than Jean. There's probably a reason why Mastermind managed to get his hooks into her so easily...(I know, it wasn't her...but it was an exact copy of her)...and I suspect part of it has to do with how she represses this sort of kinky, desirous side of her personality.

To me, there was always this sense of inevitability with the Scott/Jean relationship. A sense of destiny and this sort of inescapable future...which made it, IMO, so stifling. There wasn't any real choice for either of them but to end up with each other, so there wasn't any real sense of passion or wanting to be with the other person. It was just meant to be, as if they were just going through the motions. Their relationship was like the high school romance that will always be a part of you, of course, but you know isn't sustainable and won't last. And it probably won't be good for you if you stay in that relationship because you feel like you were supposed to.

SCEMMA wasn't like that. They wanted to be with each other, there was a choice involved and they made it...which IMO makes it more mature. They brought out the best (or better in each other) rather than just allowing each other to stagnate and remain the same people they were when they were teenagers. And honestly, Emma was responsible for this: (what else needs to be said?) 2853822-574908-astonishingx_men023_38.jpg

[ExodusCloak]

Just read the 100th anniversary issue....it was just disappointing

Robin Furth just wrote fan fiction. Probably the least objective story every written. It was pretty poor, I hope they can see that her work was quite poor and that she shouldn't get any future projects.

[airdreams]

Honestly guys, and I don't say this to be mean, but it's a reading comprehension thing. I think I was fairly clear on the notion that I struggle with like/hate feelings for Emma because of the role the character plays in the ongoing triangle that reduces Jean's character in addition to Emma's. Further, it was obvious that I posted the info on this shitty story to share the news of more trashing of Jean's and Emma's characters. I know Cyke is you two's favorite character, but put that aside for a minute and look at how Emma is used in their stories together, and if you really dig Emma, you'll probably find fault with the "weak female character" version that seems to be her default character when it comes to this lame triangle.

No, Emma is my favorite character, and the fact that I hate how Emma has been treated in the relationship between her and Scott has nothing to do with the stupidness and ridiculousness of the reason you hate Emma here.

[Park Slope Pixie]

Robin Furth just wrote fan fiction. Probably the least objective story every written. It was pretty poor, I hope they can see that her work was quite poor and that she shouldn't get any future projects.

lol. let's give a "100th anniversary issue" to an untested, inexperienced comic writer taking their first hack at the franchise. Marvel, just take my money.

[airdreams]

Did he say she wasn't relevant to it?

He didn't put it directly, but saying that the Will will particularly effect the grown-up original X-Men.

Just read the 100th anniversary issue....it was just disappointing

it's like a big, fat joke. So lame.

[OpticDreams]

So basically the ending of HCT got erased by the same way the ending happened. Jean/Phoenix playing with people's life. Such a mess. To me at least this makes Jean look bad. Even selfish. Heart's desire line I did not care for at all either.

[AnaFrost01]

Robin Furth just wrote fan fiction. Probably the least objective story every written. It was pretty poor, I hope they can see that her work was quite poor and that she shouldn't get any future projects.

it's like a big, fat joke. So lame.

I just threw out my money in this issue. And just so it gets clear is not because of the Jean/Scoot thing is because they were basically saying in that issue that every mutant kind problem would be avoided if Scoot stayed with Jean making the word a paradise and because "Emma never trust human" Scemma will make a work a living hell for everybody. I still can't believe that last picture of everybody happily ever after (including Emma) because of that. Thank God this is just a "what if" with other name.

[cwatz]

So basically the ending of HCT got erased by the same way the ending happened. Jean/Phoenix playing with people's life. Such a mess. To me at least this makes Jean look bad. Even selfish. Heart's desire line I did not care for at all either.

As a Jean fan I was concerned going in, hearing some of what happened, but in the end its hardly even Jean in the WHR, it was pretty much full phoenix. Everything was done to create a better future, not self-serving means which she could do whenever she pleased.

The messaging seemed quite confusing though. "Hearts desire" and Scotts inner monologue "People say you dont get second chances. But sometimes you get lucky" imply that Jean is his true love or whatever. However at the same point he was obviously quite happy with Emma, and in that timeline certainly didn't seem pleased things were getting changed.

In the end I think it ties back to something I said earlier. He can be happy with both, circumstance and experiences dictate it all.