Mary Jane Watson-Parker Appreciation 2022

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Didn't think someone would highlight only this part lol.

It's also kinda disappointing Marvel didn't make an Earth-69 yet .

Oh really, then explain why Benjy and Annie are of vital importance to the Spider-Verse if the marriage 'isn't important'? Considering neither exist without it.



And denying there is still importance is asinine.

MC2 and RYV mattered to core storylines. Therefore the marriage still matters.

I want you to read my post again and find where I said the marriage doesn't matter.

Marvel itself is aware it has importance considering they bait moronic fans with its return for their sweet sweet short term sale strats, and more than once they tried to make MJ **** off from the franchise (Even back in Lee's era when he was trying to make Gwen the love interest), only to bring her back again 'cause she brings money.

My point is that random universes having marriage doesn't matter, because they're random universes, we could have a random universe with a school shooter Peter Parker and that would have little importance if he never shows up again lol.

And both MC2 and RYV are currently dead universes, so we're not having any on-going universe with it still around, that's not good, and 616 itself decided to break them up 'cause Wells likes angst porn and seemingly dislikes MJ, maybe **** can change later on, but right now, the lack of marriage representation is not a good thing, and again, pretending otherwise is naíve.

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DC restored Superman's marriage when they found it fitting, so I wouldn't lose the hope.

I'm as pissed as many other for keep waiting, but in comics, everything can turn around when we less expect it. Either if a character dies or "evolves" into something different, they can always go back to square one, so I'm not going to lose hope yet. At some point, someone with brain will be in charge of Spider-Man's stories and will decide to restore the marriage somehow.

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Didn't think someone would highlight only this part lol.

It's also kinda disappointing Marvel didn't make an Earth-69 yet .



I want you to read my post again and find where I said the marriage doesn't matter.

Marvel itself is aware it has importance considering they bait moronic fans with its return for their sweet sweet short term sale strats, and more than once they tried to make MJ **** off from the franchise (Even back in Lee's era when he was trying to make Gwen the love interest), only to bring her back again 'cause she brings money.

My point is that random universes having marriage doesn't matter, because they're random universes, we could have a random universe with a school shooter Peter Parker and that would have little importance if he never shows up again lol.

And both MC2 and RYV are currently dead universes, so we're not having any on-going universe with it still around, that's not good, and 616 itself decided to break them up 'cause Wells likes angst porn and seemingly dislikes MJ, maybe **** can change later on, but right now, the lack of marriage representation is not a good thing, and again, pretending otherwise is naíve.

Technically, that kind of happened in Spider-Gwen's backstory, with that version of Peter turning himself into the Lizard and going full reptile on the high school prom because some jerks started picking on him there.

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Why the hell would Wolverine try to hurt MJ? At best, he could attack MJ thinking she's Moira, but that would require very stupid writing lol.

Not that I'm denying this will happen though, maybe Wells will make it happen to disrespect MJ again.

And considering ASM is getting a Gala tie-in, I wonder if Moira attacking MJ was his idea to begin with...



When was the last time we saw Spidey super pissed? Think it's been a while, was Go Down Swinging the last time?

It happens more often than you think, pal; only his anger lasts very shortly to have big "consequences". If you need a list of his angriest moments:
- There's the time during "Immortal Hulk" when Spidey was infected with Hulk's gamma. That pretty much took Peter's wrath to the surface, as he didn't stop saying "OSBORN!!!". Too bad the Green Goblin and the Sinister Six didn't appear at this moment, I would have loved to see their faces full of fear after seeing a Spider-Hulk.
- When he tought Harry's second son, Stanley Osborn, was dead and started to hunt down criminals very violently.
- I don't know if "What If...?" counts, but Venom's symbiote definitely took Peter's anger to the surface in "Shadow of the spider".
- At the climax of the Clone Conspiracy, as he was REALLY mad with Ben for playing God.
- I believe he was quite pissed at the climax of the Sinister War, at pretty much during all of it, because like the readers he had no idea what the whole mess was about.

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Technically, that kind of happened in Spider-Gwen's backstory, with that version of Peter turning himself into the Lizard and going full reptile on the high school prom because some jerks started picking on him there.

Damn it, I went for an example I considered ridiculous while thinking it didn't happen, and I completely forgot there was a "close enough" situation with Spider-Gwen's Peter lol.

Maybe I should've gone with my original idea and suggested a drug dealing Spidey, but maybe that one happened in a random universe too .

It happens more often than you think, pal; only his anger lasts very shortly to have big "consequences". If you need a list of his angriest moments:
- There's the time during "Immortal Hulk" when Spidey was infected with Hulk's gamma. That pretty much took Peter's wrath to the surface, as he didn't stop saying "OSBORN!!!". Too bad the Green Goblin and the Sinister Six didn't appear at this moment, I would have loved to see their faces full of fear after seeing a Spider-Hulk.

Eh, that one is just Gamma **** influencing him by bringing out his inner rage, while he does have a lot of anger repressed, he generally keeps it in check, but Hulk **** forced it out.

- When he tought Harry's second son, Stanley Osborn, was dead and started to hunt down criminals very violently.
- At the climax of the Clone Conspiracy, as he was REALLY mad with Ben for playing God.

I mean, I'm aware of those, and they both happen before Go Down Swinging, I was wondering if anything happened after it.

- I don't know if "What If...?" counts, but Venom's symbiote definitely took Peter's anger to the surface in "Shadow of the spider".

I wouldn't really count What Ifs.

Is that What If the one where he keeps the Venom symbiote too? 'Cause even if we did count that, with the retcon of the symbiote affecting his mood, it doesn't count as much since an outside source is messing with his head.

- I believe he was quite pissed at the climax of the Sinister War, at pretty much during all of it, because like the readers he had no idea what the whole mess was about.

He was actually remarkably calm all things considered lol.

Not that he was actually calm, there was some anger in there, but didn't get too angry, just when Harry died, even then he quickly calms down and comforts Gabriel and Sarah while they die.

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Damn it, I went for an example I considered ridiculous while thinking it didn't happen, and I completely forgot there was a "close enough" situation with Spider-Gwen's Peter lol.

Maybe I should've gone with my original idea and suggested a drug dealing Spidey, but maybe that one happened in a random universe too .



Eh, that one is just Gamma **** influencing him by bringing out his inner rage, while he does have a lot of anger repressed, he generally keeps it in check, but Hulk **** forced it out.


- At the climax of the Clone Conspiracy, as he was REALLY mad with Ben for playing God.

I mean, I'm aware of those, and they both happen before Go Down Swinging, I was wondering if anything happened after it.



I wouldn't really count What Ifs.

Is that What If the one where he keeps the Venom symbiote too? 'Cause even if we did count that, with the retcon of the symbiote affecting his mood, it doesn't count as much since an outside source is messing with his head.



He was actually remarkably calm all things considered lol.

Not that he was actually calm, there was some anger in there, but didn't get too angry, just when Harry died, even then he quickly calms down and comforts Gabriel and Sarah while they die.[/QUOTE]

Christopher Priest's Spider-Force, written as a tie-in to Spider-Geddon, had a teenage version of Peter calling himself "Charlie," also known as Spider-Kid, who ran away from his abusive guardians (implied to be that universe's versions of Ben and May Parker) after gaining his spider-powers and robbed drug dealers to eke out a semi-comfortable existence for himself.

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Christopher Priest's Spider-Force, written as a tie-in to Spider-Geddon, had a teenage version of Peter calling himself "Charlie," also known as Spider-Kid, who ran away from his abusive guardians (implied to be that universe's versions of Ben and May Parker) after gaining his spider-powers and robbed drug dealers to eke out a semi-comfortable existence for himself.

Huh, Kaine did something similar in his own Scarlet Spider series, though in that case it was human trafficking, not drugs.

Even then, wouldn't even consider that "close enough", "Charlie" there actively screwed up drug dealers, instead of helping 'em, but, good to know about that anyways, wasn't aware of it, thanks.

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Damn it, I went for an example I considered ridiculous while thinking it didn't happen, and I completely forgot there was a "close enough" situation with Spider-Gwen's Peter lol.

Maybe I should've gone with my original idea and suggested a drug dealing Spidey, but maybe that one happened in a random universe too .



Eh, that one is just Gamma **** influencing him by bringing out his inner rage, while he does have a lot of anger repressed, he generally keeps it in check, but Hulk **** forced it out.



I mean, I'm aware of those, and they both happen before Go Down Swinging, I was wondering if anything happened after it.



I wouldn't really count What Ifs.

Is that What If the one where he keeps the Venom symbiote too? 'Cause even if we did count that, with the retcon of the symbiote affecting his mood, it doesn't count as much since an outside source is messing with his head.



He was actually remarkably calm all things considered lol.

Not that he was actually calm, there was some anger in there, but didn't get too angry, just when Harry died, even then he quickly calms down and comforts Gabriel and Sarah while they die.

My point here is, Peter Parker can be REALLY pissed if the wrong buttons are pushed. And Mary Jane being used as a meat puppet and her life in potential danger? That's definitely the wrong button of Spider-man to push.

Christopher Priest's Spider-Force, written as a tie-in to Spider-Geddon, had a teenage version of Peter calling himself "Charlie," also known as Spider-Kid, who ran away from his abusive guardians (implied to be that universe's versions of Ben and May Parker) after gaining his spider-powers and robbed drug dealers to eke out a semi-comfortable existence for himself.

I kinda saw a spark of DC's Jason Todd in this version of Peter Parker.

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My point here is, Peter Parker can be REALLY pissed if the wrong buttons are pushed. And Mary Jane being used as a meat puppet and her life in potential danger? That's definitely the wrong button of Spider-man to push.



I kinda saw a spark of DC's Jason Todd in this version of Peter Parker.

Which makes you wonder if MJ will be involved with Dark Web and what it's about if Pryor is involved

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Which makes you wonder if MJ will be involved with Dark Web and what it's about if Pryor is involved

I haven't said Mary Jane will be involved in Dark Web. For now, all I know is what everybody else knows: Moira is going to use Mary Jane in a plot against the X-Men. I don't know why Mary Jane will be involved in whatever Madelyne and Ben are planning, but it would have sense if Ben's new twisted mind wants to make Peter suffer (even when he doesn't have any real reason to do it).

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I haven't said Mary Jane will be involved in Dark Web. For now, all I know is what everybody else knows: Moira is going to use Mary Jane in a plot against the X-Men. I don't know why Mary Jane will be involved in whatever Madelyne and Ben are planning, but it would have sense if Ben's new twisted mind wants to make Peter suffer (even when he doesn't have any real reason to do it).

Well it's just a thought but Pryor is the queen of limbo so that could come into play if something happens to MJ and Peter has to save her

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Well it's just a thought but Pryor is the queen of limbo so that could come into play if something happens to MJ and Peter has to save her

Not that it really matters, but if Madelyna has some kind of demonic power, she might perceive somehow the scent of Mephisto on Peter and MJ, as consequence of their deal with him.

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Damn it, I went for an example I considered ridiculous while thinking it didn't happen, and I completely forgot there was a "close enough" situation with Spider-Gwen's Peter lol.

Maybe I should've gone with my original idea and suggested a drug dealing Spidey, but maybe that one happened in a random universe too .

How quickly we forget there was peeping tom serial killer "Patton Parnel" in an Edge of Spider-Verse issue.

My point here is, Peter Parker can be REALLY pissed if the wrong buttons are pushed. And Mary Jane being used as a meat puppet and her life in potential danger? That's definitely the wrong button of Spider-man to push.

Normally, yes, but Wells's version of Peter - granted, only going off Beyond and the last two issues - just seems...blah, emotionally. I mean, his Peter had to be arm-twisted into agreeing to live with MJ right before the glowy deus ex machina appeared, and since the time skip he apparently just sits/walks around moping most of the time. I'm not expecting any grand emotion from him, and definitely not when it comes to MJ.

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How quickly we forget there was peeping tom serial killer "Patton Parnel" in an Edge of Spider-Verse issue.



Normally, yes, but Wells's version of Peter - granted, only going off Beyond and the last two issues - just seems...blah, emotionally. I mean, his Peter had to be arm-twisted into agreeing to live with MJ right before the glowy deus ex machina appeared, and since the time skip he apparently just sits/walks around moping most of the time. I'm not expecting any grand emotion from him, and definitely not when it comes to MJ.

MJ is the one person he would literally go to hell and back to save

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Normally, yes, but Wells's version of Peter - granted, only going off Beyond and the last two issues - just seems...blah, emotionally. I mean, his Peter had to be arm-twisted into agreeing to live with MJ right before the glowy deus ex machina appeared, and since the time skip he apparently just sits/walks around moping most of the time. I'm not expecting any grand emotion from him, and definitely not when it comes to MJ.

Explanations are in order to understand what the webs happened here, and what ro who was the light guy at the end of the Beyond' arc. I don't know what happened to Peter, but he's not so down on emotions as we see. In the first issue, he seemed really concerned about talked to Mary Jane about something, so he still worries about her.