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    Quote Originally Posted by Bored at 3:00AM View Post
    Dump Firestorm and add The Atom and you'd have my JLA sweetspot, too.
    Keep Firestorm and add The Atom.

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    Loved this book.
    May we never forget:

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    Daddy Zeus can hit the bricks.
    Truer words never spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Can't remember who wrote this but it's interesting that Ollie who is supposed to be the freethinker is generalizing Hal and talking to him like he's a member of a collective group, while Hal who is supposedly the conformist that ignores important details, is treating him like an individual. Whoever wrote this must not have been a fan of Ollie's moral posturing that he can't quite seem to always live up to. Then again that "ownage" by Hal was also kind of deflecting on his part, so I guess the writer more or less tried to do the "both sides" thing.
    It was Judd Winnick if I remember correctly and I don't think the writing there is all that good. I prefer Hal and Ollie to be portrayed as they were in the Morrison run (and Morrison even alluded in the interviews that Hal, who's jobless most of the time and poor, would be more likely to lean left than Ollie, who's rich): friends with similar views at their core but there's a difference in the scale at which they see things. Hal operates at a macro level and Ollie at a more micro level (through this lens, the quarrel between them wouldn't be so much over their core views or Hal being a status quo chump like he is in the original GL/GA run - but because Ollie is more concerned with day-to-day problems while Hal's like a space bohemian who operates at a much grander scale). But in their heart of hearts, both of them are against every kind of injustice. Which is why I dislike when writers just retread those first few issues of GL/GA to get an understanding of their characters.
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    I think Percy did a good job with Hal and Ollie too where they were constantly ribbing each other but you could tell how much they cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    Where is this from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silly View Post
    Where is this from?
    The Action Comics Weekly series I believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silly View Post
    Where is this from?
    I think it GL/Superman: Legend of the Green Flame by Neil Gaiman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    The Action Comics Weekly series I believe?
    Quote Originally Posted by AMAZINGTFL View Post
    I think it GL/Superman: Legend of the Green Flame by Neil Gaiman.
    Both. The story was meant for ACW and featured other characters who were part of ACW weekly at the time, but the shifting sands of Superman continuity meant that very few people were allowed to know Superman's identity, which meant the Hal/Clark friendship that was at the center of the story couldn't be used and the script was shelved. But DC's not stupid and they had a Neil Gaiman story in their hands, so they published it as the "Legend of the Green Flame" out of continuity one-shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    Both. The story was meant for ACW and featured other characters who were part of ACW weekly at the time, but the shifting sands of Superman continuity meant that very few people were allowed to know Superman's identity, which meant the Hal/Clark friendship that was at the center of the story couldn't be used and the script was shelved. But DC's not stupid and they had a Neil Gaiman story in their hands, so they published it as the "Legend of the Green Flame" out of continuity one-shot.
    Neil Gaiman. Cool. What's the story about?

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    Anyone here read Superman: Space Age #1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silly View Post
    Neil Gaiman. Cool. What's the story about?
    It's set during the ACW era, a kind of sequel to "The List", where Hal was jobless and asked for help from all his superhero friends and got the cold shoulder, even from Ollie. The Gaiman story shows Superman actually contacting Hal after that and both of them getting together and needless to say, they then get embroiled in an adventure. I like Gaiman but of course, my gripe with this story is the same as all the stories from the ACW era - Hal's "joblessness" is depicted as a character flaw or a source of crisis instead of that being turned into a source of strength for the character. I like the story itself as a standalone story if set apart from the rest of the ACW run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silly View Post
    Neil Gaiman. Cool. What's the story about?
    As far as I remember, Superman and GL in hell.

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    Another Barr/Morrison connection: Hal's fondness for "wide open spaces".



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    Miss Hal casually singing!

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